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[a_andhika]

Dear Forum,

I would ask this kinda silly question. Do you think a cigarette factory needs a Food Safety Managemnt System? Considering the wide apllication of FSMS nowadays, do you think it can "breach" onto cigarette industries someday?

If ISO 22k thinks healthy is different than safety, then smoking is might considered as a safe product, but not healthy... Just a further opinion from my previous post (Your preference when eating)....

Regards,


Arya

[GMO]

Interesting. I interviewed someone recently who worked in a cigarette filter factory and they had some level of controls as you do put it in your mouth. I don't know if it will ever get super hygienic though; you are going to kill yourself anyway!

[a_andhika]

Interesting. I interviewed someone recently who worked in a cigarette filter factory and they had some level of controls as you do put it in your mouth. I don't know if it will ever get super hygienic though; you are going to kill yourself anyway!

Dear GMO,

Thats what I mean. Technically you are sucking poison when smoking, isnt that was a hazard? But as a cigarette manufacturer, you have to ensure that your product is safe for the consumers (well at least for a short therm).

Is there any HACCP-like system for cigarette? Control of nicotine or tar contents perhaps? Anyone?


Regards,


Arya

[AS NUR]

Dear GMO,

Thats what I mean. Technically you are sucking poison when smoking, isnt that was a hazard? But as a cigarette manufacturer, you have to ensure that your product is safe for the consumers (well at least for a short therm).

Is there any HACCP-like system for cigarette? Control of nicotine or tar contents perhaps? Anyone?


Regards,


Arya

Dear Arya..

IMO.. if the cigarete manufacturer have HACCP like System.. they have to define who is end consumer first... and they must have regulation what the max. nicotine and tar that safe for human... may be next time we can found that cigarete without nicotine and tar.. like decaffeinated coffee....

BTW there is confusing and interesting topic...

PS :....I am not smoker...

[Charles.C]

Dear AS NUR,

and they must have regulation what the max. nicotine and tar that safe for human

Indeed, as Arya also indicated; in fact one presentation style of HACCP plan requires an initial statement of a specific Food Safety Objective. Even a "short term" proposal should make interesting reading.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Simon]

I know tobacco companies are extremely particular about the quality and hygiene of the packaging such as the foil inserts. So if they are so particular about the direct contact packaging then I think they will be even more so with the ingredients such as cigarette paper, filter and tobacco. Although we don’t eat the product it does go into the mouth. In my uneducated opinion it does need to be fit for purpose e.g. consistently clean and safe and of good quality for now and deadly in the long run. In answer to the original question yes I think there needs to be some sort of risk based management system in cigarette manufacturing.

Interesting debate.

Regards,
Simon

[a_andhika]

Dear Forum,

Interesting opinions. Yes I think you're right, a risk management system is absolutely needed for cigarette manufacturing, considering that its a high-risk product. But what makes me feel uneasy is, in our country, the cigarette industry still seems unaware about it .

They just campaigning their finest quality and great brand, but none of them tryin to took more responsibility about human health, well at least show some respect to the safety. Even the goverment's warnin (which is an obligatory to be stated on the packaging, merchandise, and advertise) about the serious effect of smokin was not clearly attached on people's mind, its only for a sake of formality .

Does anyone in this forum worked in cigarette industry? Do you have any other opinions or different risk management system? I dont ment to havin an offensive post, just to share my grudge about bad smokin habit in our beloved country...

Regards,


Arya

PS To Simon: Thanks for changing my topic's title. Well at first time I have a glimpse to share opinion about how smokin can lead into bad habit. I've talked to few addicted persons, and they would say "I'd rather not eat than not smokin!" But after second thought, I think it much more interested if I involve some FSMS, so I can get a lot more smart opinions from expertise in here .

[Simon]

Hello Arya, At the end of the day tobacco companies are businesses and although they may try to be appear considerate and ethical they can only ever 'appear to be' as they are selling a product that has killed millons and will kill millions more. If they cared so much they would shut down their companies today, but business is business. In the west the public has started to shun smoking, it is now very expensive, banned in public and considered dirty and not cool at all. In my family everybody who did smoke has now stopped, I smoked for tweny years. It used to be the norm but the culture is changing here and that's why they are looking for new customers in the developing world. They will take the money until people get wise. In 1,000 years I doubt many people will smoke.

Regards,
Simon

[Jean]

Dear Arya,



IMO, Health and safety systems will suit the cigarette industry rather than food safety. Health hazards are significant with cigarettes over a long run of time. But I think the manufacturers should have innovative techniques to reduce the impact of the cigars on the lungs of the smokers and also not forgetting the quality standards for the product. Even EMS would suit the tobacco industry…

[a_andhika]

Dear Arya, IMO, Health and safety systems will suit the cigarette industry rather than food safety. Health hazards are significant with cigarettes over a long run of time. But I think the manufacturers should have innovative techniques to reduce the impact of the cigars on the lungs of the smokers and also not forgetting the quality standards for the product. Even EMS would suit the tobacco industry…

Dear J and Simon,

Yes, I think the most responsible person is the manufacturer. They have to ensure (for morality sake) the product is safe for the consumers, not only seek for the big "M". Innovative techniques are absolutely needed, who knows there will be a health smoke someday. Thanks for the comments.

So, anyone care to create health and safety system for tobacco industries? Coz as far as I know, the cigarette industries only concerning about their quality. Oh yes, BTW J, what is EMS?

Regards,


Arya

[Jean]

Hi Arya,



EMS- Environmental Management System

[Simon]

Slightly off topic. Yesterday I was half listening to the news on the radio when I heard the words ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES - my wife and I looked at each other in a mixture of bemusement and horror.

Whatever next: Electronic cigarettes spark health row

Regards,
Simon