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[SS2010]

Hello every one!!

Need a big help to resolve this issue.

My company is producing some products from last 10 years, they are good with all quality and food safety on the base of food safety and other parameters. But real problem is that there is no validation records for them?? And as requirement of audit we need validation of each CCP. What should I do? The product is different stock products.

Is there any universal data, micro log time data which we can do validation.

Regards,
Shraddha

Edited by Simon, 10 March 2011 - 08:09 AM.
Corrected ALL CAPITALS

[Jason H.Z.C.]

Hi SS2010,

How do you demonstrate the good quality of your products during the last ten years?

If you could demonstrate, maybe you can use the historical data to be the validation of your processes.

Best regards,

Jason

[SS2010]

We have got micro data for each batch,

BUT CANT BE THEY VERIFICATION?

So you reckon we can use historical verification data as a validation data!

many thanks jason!

Hi SS2010,

How do you demonstrate the good quality of your products during the last ten years?

If you could demonstrate, maybe you can use the historical data to be the validation of your processes.

Best regards,

Jason

[Jules]

What is / (are) your CCP(s) Shraddha? I think your micro results are probably verification. I'm just in the same spot at the moment, good topic for both of us.

My CCPs are recipe control (for pH); sieving; cook; cool and metal detection.

[Jason H.Z.C.]

See below post.. sorry for double posting

Edited by Jason H.Z.C., 10 March 2011 - 07:49 AM.

[Jason H.Z.C.]

Hi SS2010,

The validation can be finished in Labs, in trial production or by survey.

The production years before could be a prove for the validation on the effectiveness of your current combinated control measures. But valiation needs to be done in accordance with a procedure and should be recorded.

In codex guideline <GUIDELINES FOR THE VALIDATION OF FOOD SAFETY CONTROL MEASURES
CAC/GL 69 - 2008>, validation can be done by several approaches(see page 5):

The first approach is "Reference to scientific or technical literature, previous validation studies or historical knowledge of the performance of the control measure." You could read the gudelines deeply, and I think the historical data can be used to validate your current control measures.

Despite you have the historical data it can only become the input of your validation process, documented validation process and the validated conclusions should be documented and announced by you. I suggest you to validate your processes in accordance with the examples(I guess from page 11 to page 16 there are 6 examples) present in aforementioned document.

Finally enclosed the guidelines document(Although it had been attached numerous times
in this forum before...

Hope this could help you a bit ,

 Codex, guidelines for validation of GFS control measures.pdf   170.26KB   125 downloads

Best regards,

Jason

[Charles.C]

Dear SS2010,

You appear to hv essentially achieved a triple post in 3 different forums.

This one +

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__42912

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__43415

Are you trying to compare all the possible FS standards ?

Rgds / Charles.C

[trubertq]

Hello every one!!

Need a big help to resolve this issue.

My company is producing some products from last 10 years, they are good with all quality and food safety on the base of food safety and other parameters. But real problem is that there is no validation records for them?? And as requirement of audit we need validation of each CCP. What should I do? The product is different stock products.

Is there any universal data, micro log time data which we can do validation.

Regards,
Shraddha

Depending on your CCPs you will have to have validation information for each one... so if it's a temperature control you will have to prove that your control measure actually achieves what you say it does. This may involve data loggers and temperature monitoring etc... historical data can only form part of your validation. as do microbiological results. Any changes made to the process have to be validated also, something I have problems with because my Company keep changing their process! .

[SS2010]

Dear Charles,

Nope just SQF for now and trying to close out CAR from last BRC audit:):)

Dear SS2010,

You appear to hv essentially achieved a triple post in 3 different forums.

This one +

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__42912

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__43415

Are you trying to compare all the possible FS standards ?

Rgds / Charles.C

[agwanda]

Hello every one!!

Need a big help to resolve this issue.

My company is producing some products from last 10 years, they are good with all quality and food safety on the base of food safety and other parameters. But real problem is that there is no validation records for them?? And as requirement of audit we need validation of each CCP. What should I do? The product is different stock products.

Is there any universal data, micro log time data which we can do validation.

Regards,
Shraddha

Dear SS2010,

Can u kindly clarify what you nproduce and the operations involved. Note that each unit operation has its critical limits that should not be exceeded(CCPs) and these must have been recorded for some time.

If these data are available either physically or in electronic form then they can be used as evidence for your past operational activities. These should be compared against statutory or regulatory requirements thereby forming the basis of your validation.

In certain cases you might require comparisins with externally obtained data especially from external laboratories.

Regards,

Agwanda