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[hygienic]

Dear All;

To wipe & dry the work surfaces such as Tabels, cutting boards,and some kitchen equipements the tissue papaers is the best procedure in this case .
but we spend high a mount of tissue daily and coastly as well . So what I am asking is Do you knoa an alternative procedure instead of using tissue papers, are there an approved multi use Mops can be used in wipping and drying the worksurfaces ? please advice

Regards
Hygienic

[DAVE84]

We use towels for this purpose. We have separate basket for dirty and clean towles and have outside contractor who wash this towels for us on weekly basis. Daily sanition will take dirty towels and place in special big container for dirty towels and contractor will collect that each week.



Regards

Dave

[Inesa]

Dear hygienic,

I'm a bit surprised.. No, I'm a lot surprised
I thought no one is using paper for cleaning production surfaces especially cutting boards!! You're risking to contaminate your products with paper!!
For surface washing microfiber clothes are used, AFAIK, they must be washed each day at 95C. Cutting boards must be washed after each use, not wiped with paper.
Sorry if I'm making drama again (Maybe I should change my login name to Drama Queen?) , but IMO paper is not acceptable.

Regards Inesa

[GMO]

I completely agree with Inesa. Portable equipment should be properly washed and disinfected (thermally or chemically) and ideally allowed to air dry. You can get non shedding cloths but generally these aren't ideal for washing activities as they tend to hold moisture and so encourage bacterial growth.

For non movable equipment, removal of gross debris, foaming using foam lances with detergent, brushes to remove heavy soiling, allowing any contact time, rinsing and spraying with disinfectant solutions or alcohol based disinfectants is the best idea IMO.

If I see blue hand-drying towel in use as a cleaning aid during an audit, I normally raise this as a non conformance.

[hygienic]

Dear hygienic,

I'm a bit surprised.. No, I'm a lot surprised
I thought no one is using paper for cleaning production surfaces especially cutting boards!! You're risking to contaminate your products with paper!!
For surface washing microfiber clothes are used, AFAIK, they must be washed each day at 95C. Cutting boards must be washed after each use, not wiped with paper.
Sorry if I'm making drama again (Maybe I should change my login name to Drama Queen?) , but IMO paper is not acceptable.

Regards Inesa

Dear Drama Queen;

Thanks for your advise, but we are drying the cutting borads after taking from the sanitizer solution, but for the movable worksurfaces always using disposable tissue paper, and I have comment with regards the cloths , after use it then again if you want to use for cleaning a table I think will spread the microorganisms even smell willl increas in the cloth, Are you agree with this? or there is a special cloths for the cleaning purpose?

Awaiting your reply

Hygienic

[hygienic]

I completely agree with Inesa. Portable equipment should be properly washed and disinfected (thermally or chemically) and ideally allowed to air dry. You can get non shedding cloths but generally these aren't ideal for washing activities as they tend to hold moisture and so encourage bacterial growth.

For non movable equipment, removal of gross debris, foaming using foam lances with detergent, brushes to remove heavy soiling, allowing any contact time, rinsing and spraying with disinfectant solutions or alcohol based disinfectants is the best idea IMO.

If I see blue hand-drying towel in use as a cleaning aid during an audit, I normally raise this as a non conformance.

Dear GMO;

I think thermally or Air dry is taking time and can not be used in small worksurfaces, maybe can be used in big machines, but for tables is difficult , .
And Actually many companies still using tissue fro this purpose and we are one of them , because coud not find alternative method,

Regards
Hygienic

[Inesa]

Dear hygienic

i've heard from someone a year ago, who is working with food industry cleaning, that microfiber cloth is the best solution in most cases. Here I've found a homepage with some products and information. It might be interesting to you

http://www.midlandwi...uk/chicopee.php

http://www.midlandwi..._cloths_iso.php

I think if you use several clothes during the day, rinse them often, use disinfectans, there should not be problems and you would save money. Also you can use color coding for different tables or surfaces and They must be washed at boiling temp. and dried after daily use. These clothes you can wash and reuse thousand times and more.
I'm not an expert in this, but it's what I've seen people doing in Denmark.

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[GMO]

Dear GMO;

I think thermally or Air dry is taking time and can not be used in small worksurfaces, maybe can be used in big machines, but for tables is difficult , .
And Actually many companies still using tissue fro this purpose and we are one of them , because coud not find alternative method,

Regards
Hygienic

Have you tried alcohol based sanitisers? They dry much more quickly. Presumably these tables are mobile as well. Can you wash one / use one?

Any use of cloth either exposes the risk of FB or recontamination IMO. Not that it can't be done, it just needs to be recognised that you are increasing the risks. Also most water based sanitisers are designed to be allowed to dry on the equipment so it's probably a good idea to go back to your chemical supplier and ensure the product you're using is even suitable for this purpose.

[Inesa]

Dear GMO,

any apply of any sanitizer must happen on surface free of organic material. How do you suggest to remove some food residues lets say from the table at some catering kitchen? Isn't it that you wash table with a clothe? and afterwards dry and sanitize?
And also in small kitchens they hurry and they don't spray sanitizers every 10 minutes I think. Isn't it a risk of spray of sanitizer on some sandwich if the kitchen is small? Else you can apply them also with cloth?
I think they have no time for the perfect cleaning performance...

This topic is very interesting, looking forward to learn more about this

[Dr Ajay Shah]

After washing the chopping board in a dish washer preferebaly and allowing it to air dry should be sufficient or after washing you can apply 70% commercial food grade alcohol sanitiser.

Regards

Ajay

[hygienic]

Have you tried alcohol based sanitisers? They dry much more quickly. Presumably these tables are mobile as well. Can you wash one / use one?

Any use of cloth either exposes the risk of FB or recontamination IMO. Not that it can't be done, it just needs to be recognised that you are increasing the risks. Also most water based sanitisers are designed to be allowed to dry on the equipment so it's probably a good idea to go back to your chemical supplier and ensure the product you're using is even suitable for this purpose.

Dear GMO;

It is not recommended to use alcohol Sanitizer with any work surfaces (direct contact with food) because the odour maybe absorb and transfer to the food item such as for example bread , we are using alcohol sanitizer to sanitize the hands only because it takes time to remove .
For cloths still need study , because you are right that expose to the risk of contamination if no proper sanitizing for the cloths.
Still we need more recommendation and advices.

Hygienic

[MQA]

As mentioned here (and with agreement):

If using the cloths:

• Purchase plenty
• Wash in hot boiling water; use sanitising solution
• Hot water wash, allows for quicker dry
• Colour code your cloths
• If financially feasible, utilise a contractor that continually supplies you with fresh cloths

[GMO]

Dear GMO;

It is not recommended to use alcohol Sanitizer with any work surfaces (direct contact with food) because the odour maybe absorb and transfer to the food item such as for example bread , we are using alcohol sanitizer to sanitize the hands only because it takes time to remove .
For cloths still need study , because you are right that expose to the risk of contamination if no proper sanitizing for the cloths.
Still we need more recommendation and advices.

Hygienic

I've used Triquart QD from Ecolab in food environments as an alcohol containing surface disinfectant for which it is approved.