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[rotiboy1002]

When we develop a HACCP plan, we will normally write down corrective action (if exceeds critical limits) after determine CCP, critical limits and monitoring procedure. Do we call that a Corrective Action Plan (where short term and long term action are describe)?

[mind over matter]

When we develop a HACCP plan, we will normally write down corrective action (if exceeds critical limits) after determine CCP, critical limits and monitoring procedure. Do we call that a Corrective Action Plan (where short term and long term action are describe)?

While you wait for specific responses (I regret to say this is the area I lack of experience), have you considered the following definitions from the context of ISO 9001?

Corrective Action: Actions taken to eliminate the root cause of an existing nonconformance and to prevent its reoccurrence.

Preventive Action: Actions taken to eliminate a 'potential root cause' to a potential problem that has not occurred.

[Dr Ajay Shah]

When we develop a HACCP plan, we will normally write down corrective action (if exceeds critical limits) after determine CCP, critical limits and monitoring procedure. Do we call that a Corrective Action Plan (where short term and long term action are describe)?

Corrective Action:

The action to be taken when the results of monitoring at theCritical Control Point (CCP) indicates loss of control.



Control Measure/Preventative Measure: Those actions oractivities that can be used to prevent, eliminate or reduce a food safetyhazard to an acceptable level.

[Charles.C]

Dear rotiboy,

Do we call that a Corrective Action Plan (where short term and long term action are describe)?

I think, as per (I think) last post, most people just head it "Corrective Actions" .

Although there will usually be a form attached also where the "long term action" is customarily set out under "Root cause(s)".

I suppose you could call the form a "Plan" if you like this term but most people probably just call it "Corrective Actions Form". KISP

Rgds / Charles.C

[Antores]

It may be confusing when you get specific on the definitions. In plain words, you make a CAR to document what you have done to correct and prevent any issue; This may be a deviation of a critical control point in your HACCP, or just anything that is not working as intended and needs attention, such as employees not following procedures, a pest infestation, etc.

The first thing you will need is a CAR program. Here you will write down the policies and procedure for your company in regards ofCAR. As every procedure this should cover the what, when, where, who and how… This will read for instance that your company will do a CAR for every CCP deviation, but only for CP that may represent risk or are repetitive..

Now, the need for a CAR may come from anywhere, so you cannot have a “plan” for everything that could potentially happen, but in the case of the CCP's in your HACPP plan, you already have a good idea of what may go wrong and you may plan some CAR's in advance. If you CCP is temperature, you should already know what to do when you have a deviation intemperature… for instance: Stop theprocess line, check oven heaters and controllers, discard product/batchaffected, (or re-process)…etc. That is a CAR plan.. you are not waiting for a deviatin to happen to start thinking what to do, there is already an action plan in which the operators are trained and ahsll to follow when a deviation arrives

Edited by Antores, 16 August 2011 - 04:39 PM.

[Charles.C]

Dear Antores,

Thks yr input. Actually the original post did specify a HACCP plan so I guess that would limit the scope to CCPs unless the standard involved specifically stated otherwise (some private standards do do this from memory).

Rgds / Charles.C

[Philips]

The jargon here changes; we have three things to start with; 1. Correction, 2. Corrective action and 3. Preventive action. All these are necessary when a CCP get out of the acceptable levels (Critical Limits)

You need to understand each depending on what you are addressing; In some instances, correction become the corrective. Furthermore, if there is need for a corrective, then the preventive is not effective enough; Go by definations, preventive prevent occurence, and if it has occured, therefore means it was not effective. Nevertheless, it has occured, what to do, correct (immediate action) and take corrective measure (prevent recurrence).

Its paramount to desing the system of HACCP taking into considerations the most effective preventive measures since you are dealing with delicates

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

Probably getting a little OT now but another (simpler?) discussion of "jargon" as referred in previous post is in this thread although not initially limited to HACCP -

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__45916

(sadly, the initial definitions were unreferenced; i think US Food Code maybe but haven't checked).

There is another thread here on the definition of control measure which simply demonstrates how flexible the interpretation can be. I think the current thread is similar although chronological aspects are often useful semi-guidelines.

@Philip. Thks input.

Its paramount to desing the system of HACCP taking into considerations the most effective preventive measures since you are dealing with delicates

I'm guessing desing = designing but "delicates" ?? KISP is good IMO.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Charles.C]

Dear rotiboy,

Good Question.
A little feedback might be nice ?

Rgds / Charles.C

[rotiboy1002]

Dear rotiboy,

Good Question.
A little feedback might be nice ?

Rgds / Charles.C

Sure Charles . We pre-planned corrective action for situation when a CCP exceeds critical limit. When that happen, we carry out the pre-planned corrective action. After that, do we develop a preventative action/plan to prevent the CCP from exceeding critical limit? If we do, we will need to validate the plan to be effective. Then, does that means the initial pre-planned corrective action wouldn't be necessary anymore?

Am I confusing everyone here?

[Charles.C]

Dear rotiboy,

(am still wondering what the roti means ?)

Sure Charles . We pre-planned corrective action for situation when a CCP exceeds critical limit. When that happen, we carry out the pre-planned corrective action. After that, do we develop a preventative action/plan to prevent the CCP from exceeding critical limit? If we do, we will need to validate the plan to be effective. Then, does that means the initial pre-planned corrective action wouldn't be necessary anymore?

Am I confusing everyone here?

Thks for input even if a little circular.

The preventative action for "corrective action" is often done by designating an "operational limit" set just above/below the critical limit as relevant so that one can avoid corrective actions. And no need to validate such. But not always convenient / possible of course, eg metal detector, (unless you are really ingenious.) However in this case, failures will hopefully be very rare anyway.

Rgds / Charles.C

[HPG]

(am still wondering what the roti means ?)

Roti = bread.

[Charles.C]

Roti = bread.

Dear HPG,

Ahh Yes, you may well be correct. A very economic and mellifluous choice.

Rgds / Charles.C

[rotiboy1002]

Dear HPG,

Ahh Yes, you may well be correct. A very economic and mellifluous choice.

Rgds / Charles.C

HPG was right. Roti = Bread.

Great information, thanks for the input!