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[rewel]

Hi all,

 

i understand that if we identify an CCP or QCP it has to go in to a process control table or Hazard audit table (the who, what, where etc) if we identify a QP does that have to go into that same table also? im not sure what the process is for identified QP's

 

im going to sneak another question also

 

 

Can there be two CCPs in the one process step?

[Dr.Khan]

Hi Rewel

 

Most customers' based quality systems such as WQA (Woolworths Quality Assurance Standards) in Australia have got into practice to ask their suppliers through auditors to provide record related to all identified QCPS'.There for I suggest that we should treat QCPS' as CCPS' and keep the record of all QCPS' in our process.

 

It will increase record keeping but will result in reduction of customer complaints and contribute in enhancing product quality.

 

Kind regards

Dr Humaid Khan

Managing Director 

Halal International Services

Sydney Australia

We work Globally

[rewel]

Hi Humaid,

 

We do treat our QCP's as CCPs as in having critical limits.

 

I guess what I'm trying to ask is how do you identify a QP (Quality Point). it there a process or can you just designate them ad hoc?

[Charles.C]

Hi Humaid,

 

We do treat our QCP's as CCPs as in having critical limits.

 

I guess what I'm trying to ask is how do you identify a QP (Quality Point). it there a process or can you just designate them ad hoc?

 

It depends on the/your definition.

 

i have never personally encountered a "QP" (fortunately). It sounds like the (equally inventive) American "CP" maybe.

 

I believe the latter is justified by the "existence" of a hazard which requires "control" but is not considered to require a CCP.  Seems rather ad hoc but back to the definition.

 

As to yr OP, >1 CCP query, maybe you should supply yr definition of a CCP ?.

[CMHeywood]

If you have a risk analysis matrix, you could list the control measures whether CCP, QP or CP in the same matrix.

 

I assume that your question about two CCP's in a process means you have identified two important parameters that must be controlled at a particular process step.  I believe you could list both parameter controls in one CCP (example:  time and temperature in pasteurization of milk).

 

My assumption here is that the "P" in "CCP" means one particular step (point) in your process flow, not necessarily how much testing or monitoring that you are doing at the one process step.  Example, time and temperature must be monitored at the pasteurization point in the process.

 

It would probably be best if some food producers answered your question about two CCP's in one process step.

Edited by Charles.C, 02 June 2016 - 08:33 PM.
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