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[Angus86]

Hi all,

 

We have a screen on a kettle in which we mix a premix  of powder and oil to heat. The screen serves to filter out any foreign materials that may be in the powder. This is done so that it does not clog our processing equipment - as the diameter of the pathways is less than 2 micron. A foreign material that would cause harm or injury to a consumer cannot make it through our machines - therefore I don't view it as a CCP - not even a CQP, maybe? It's simply there to prevent the clogging of the pathways (as well as to take the findings back to our supplier - would switch but they are 1 of 2 suppliers of this material in the world.)

 

What do you all think?

[Charles.C]

Hi all,

 

We have a screen on a kettle in which we mix a premix  of powder and oil to heat. The screen serves to filter out any foreign materials that may be in the powder. This is done so that it does not clog our processing equipment - as the diameter of the pathways is less than 2 micron. A foreign material that would cause harm or injury to a consumer cannot make it through our machines - therefore I don't view it as a CCP - not even a CQP, maybe? It's simply there to prevent the clogging of the pathways (as well as to take the findings back to our supplier - would switch but they are 1 of 2 suppliers of this material in the world.)

 

What do you all think?

 

Hi svnh,

 

= hazard analysis

 

It depends on whether there is a significant physical hazard at any step or not ?

If yes, it depends on where the hazard  is (last or possibly in combination) removed ?

 

= Codex tree definition of CCP if relevant step is "by design"

 

afaik, codex haccp does not mention CQP

[Angus86]

With that logic - I think that our instrument itself serves as a CCP - not allowing any particles larger than 75 microns into the product. ( I don't know why I put 2 micron in the original post) 

[Charles.C]

With that logic - I think that our instrument itself serves as a CCP - not allowing any particles larger than 75 microns into the product. ( I don't know why I put 2 micron in the original post) 

 

Question 1 - What is the safety hazard ?

 

Or are you only interested in Quality in which case -

 

Question 1Q - what is the quality hazard ?

if the answer is "foreign material", is the quality risk significant ? (eg likelihood x consequence)

if the answer is Yes, which stage of yr "process" reduces it to an acceptable level ? = CQP (I guess)  if no subsequent step duplicates the reduction

[GMO]

Just one question, why would it not make it through your machines?

[Angus86]

Anything foreign material larger than 75 microns would clog the machine and result in a shutdown and teardown of the machine to clear the foreign material. Essentially, the screen is there to filter out any particles large enough to clog the machine. 

[Meat Hook]

Use it as a control point, not ccp.

[Charles.C]

It sounds like the screening step is a CQP assuming a non-safety related situation and CQP means a quality issue analogous to a CCP

[GMO]

Anything foreign material larger than 75 microns would clog the machine and result in a shutdown and teardown of the machine to clear the foreign material. Essentially, the screen is there to filter out any particles large enough to clog the machine. 

 

The only reason I ask is, is that definite?  Would something 75 microns as a sphere get through or is it only 75 in one orientation (so the chance a wire could get through)?  How are you certain of it?  The reason I ask is I've been there with machines that "wouldn't allow foreign matter through" to then find out that, yes, it does...

[pablo coronel]

If the objective is to prevent machine clogging it is a CP. or QCP

 

Is a 75 um foreign body a Hazard?  They seem awfully small to me

will people be harmed by such foreign materials?  I think the rule of thumb is 2mm

Is there another measure to minimize such risk?

What will you do if you find foreing materials here?

What are corrective measures?

What is documentation?

[Charles.C]

If the objective is to prevent machine clogging it is a CP. or QCP

 

Is a 75 um foreign body a Hazard?  They seem awfully small to me

will people be harmed by such foreign materials?  I think the rule of thumb is 2mm

Is there another measure to minimize such risk?

What will you do if you find foreing materials here?

What are corrective measures?

What is documentation?

 

Hi titrisol,

 

As you illustrate, the detailed product / process is uncertain. As is the consumer.

 

Fundamentally speaking -

The hazard is apparently generic, microscopic, foreign material.

 

The likelihood is unknown.

The severity is safety-unknown.

The safety risk = x1 times x2 = indeterminate

 

the "quality" severity is given as High

the quality risk = x1 times H = indeterminate

 

Over to the OP.

[pablo coronel]

Is this the last line of defense against foreing material? i.e. is there another control for foreign material?

If this fails what is the corrective action?

 

I would prefer to have this as a pre-req program, or a CP