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[Jean Carmona]

Hello folks, can someone please clarify my ideas. I'm confusing a little bit with this terms. what's the difference between a vulnerabilities assessment vs. the HACCP?

[Charles.C]

Hello folks, can someone please clarify my ideas. I'm confusing a little bit with this terms. what's the difference between a vulnerabilities assessment vs. the HACCP?

 

Hi jean,

 

Go to this page -

 

http://foodfraud.msu...sessment-vaccp/

[012117]

JeanC,

 

In simple terms vulnerability is for intentional contamination while HACCP for unintentional contamination.

 

In very simple example (note that this is not be related to your process), let say you are making sandwiches for later and you pull out the spreads (one peanut butter and one mayonnaise), you use 2 spoons separately, if on the handling on these implements there are some incidental  contacts then can be covered by HACCP. If in case for on this preparation, you take something from the fridge and someone deliberately use the spoon of mayonnaise for peanut butter then it may be covered by vulnerability assessment.

[Charles.C]

JeanC,

 

In simple terms vulnerability is for intentional contamination while HACCP for unintentional contamination.

 

In very simple example (note that this is not be related to your process), let say you are making sandwiches for later and you pull out the spreads (one peanut butter and one mayonnaise), you use 2 spoons separately, if on the handling on these implements there are some incidental  contacts then can be covered by HACCP. If in case for on this preparation, you take something from the fridge and someone deliberately use the spoon of mayonnaise for peanut butter then it may be covered by vulnerability assessment.

 

Hi 01,

 

Perhaps a litle over-simplified. The "economic" is a core factor also, despite the alleged, continuously associated, safety potential.

[Jean Carmona]

Thank you guys!

[livanezos]

 A nice seminar on how to conduct an FFVA is offered by:

 

www.foodfraudadvisors.com

[Jean Carmona]

 A nice seminar on how to conduct an FFVA is offered by:

 

www.foodfraudadvisors.com

 

Appreciate it 

[Jean Carmona]

Hi jean,

 

Go to this page -

 

http://foodfraud.msu...sessment-vaccp/

 

Mr. Charles is it possible to use the Food Defense Mitigation Strategies as a part of the HACCP Measures to avoid hazards? We are a low-risk company that produces food contact packaging but we don't handle any food at our plant.

 

Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Jean.

[Brendan Triplett]

Hey Jean,

Your food defense is going to pretty much be covering only anything that occurs with someone trying to intentionally adulterate your product. You can use similiar strategies in your HACCP as long as they are showing that they apply to keeping the product safe from the hazards that are inherent in producing your packaging. After all, your HACCP, which is separate from your food defense plan, is there to identify and mitigate the chemical, biological, radiological and physical hazards from the envrionment and does not address specifically malicious intent from another organization or from an internal employee. Your best bet is to keep them separate unless they truly can translate from food defense to natural hazard control.

Cheers!

[Jean Carmona]

Hey Jean,

Your food defense is going to pretty much be covering only anything that occurs with someone trying to intentionally adulterate your product. You can use similiar strategies in your HACCP as long as they are showing that they apply to keeping the product safe from the hazards that are inherent in producing your packaging. After all, your HACCP, which is separate from your food defense plan, is there to identify and mitigate the chemical, biological, radiological and physical hazards from the envrionment and does not address specifically malicious intent from another organization or from an internal employee. Your best bet is to keep them separate unless they truly can translate from food defense to natural hazard control.

Cheers!

You make it crystal clear, Awesome explanation, happy weekend!

[Charles.C]

Mr. Charles is it possible to use the Food Defense Mitigation Strategies as a part of the HACCP Measures to avoid hazards? We are a low-risk company that produces food contact packaging but we don't handle any food at our plant.

 

Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Jean.

 

Hi Jean,

 

As per previous post, the 2 items have fundamentally different bases, eg as in GFSI -

 

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[livanezos]

A Food Defense Plan is NOT a food fraud vulnerability assessment (FFVA).

 

If you want to use a nice FREE tool for that and incorporate in your HACCP plan as per the requirements of GFSI-compliant food standards you can use SSAFE:

 

https://www.pwc.nl/e...fraud-tool.html

 

https://www.pwc.com/...cision-tree.pdf

[Charles.C]

A Food Defense Plan is NOT a food fraud vulnerability assessment (FFVA).

 

If you want to use a nice FREE tool for that and incorporate in your HACCP plan as per the requirements of GFSI-compliant food standards you can use SSAFE:

 

https://www.pwc.nl/e...fraud-tool.html

 

https://www.pwc.com/...cision-tree.pdf

 

Hi livanezos,

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Actually this tool has been discussed here many, many times. Some like it, some not.

 

IMO "nice" depends on yr level of Patience over 40 + questions, particularly when the excel's macro refuses to give a report at the end.

 

But I agree some people recommend it.