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#1 Brendar1

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 06:38 PM

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We are a frozen dough manufacturing facility that has a couple of employees that have requested that they be allowed to wear baseball caps or even beanies under the required hairnets on the production floor.  They have asked that we perform a risk assessment in our next food safety team meeting. I was hoping that I could get some feedback from Quality Managers, Auditors/SQF Moderators to see if you have ever come across this and if it in your opinion it could pose a food safety risk.  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!  Thank you very much!

 

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 07:07 PM

My answer has always been no.  Caps and hats do not get washed very often - certainly not as often as one showers and washes hair (at least I would hope). Hairnets often do not adequately cover hats or beanies. Hats also tend to lead to people touching their head/face more often.  

 

I suppose it would also depend on your product, process, and necessity of said caps.  Did your employees give a reason why they need/want to wear them? 



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Posted 26 December 2018 - 07:48 PM

Hello Brendar,

 

While I'm unsure the purpose of a Baseball cap (since the employees would be working in cold conditions) beanies would be appropriate if you have good manufacturing practices in place. 

 

Not that I'm suggesting anything but our company has given at several points beanies, hoodies and other wearables with our company name/logo to all employees and we encourage them to wear them as they would be warm to wear while working.

 

Bottom line, if you have good procedures and work conduct in place, there shouldn't be any issues wearing beanies in the cold. 



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Posted 26 December 2018 - 08:03 PM

How often are these caps washed? If never (like with baseball caps), then no.  Caps that protect from the cold can be washed.


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Posted 26 December 2018 - 08:10 PM

@Setanta Definitely agree, has to be washed. 

 

Maybe you could require only a certain color (Such as black) so that it's more visible if the beanie has been cleaned or not. Just a thought. 



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Posted 26 December 2018 - 08:30 PM

Hello,

Thank you for your responses!  The employees requesting the ability to wear baseball caps have no legitimate reason for wanting to wear them, other than comfort/habit.  The plant has two employees that work in the storage freezer and they are provided with coats and gloves that are on a laundering schedule. I think that baseball caps do not get washed nearly enough, but the beanies on the other hand I could see being of actual use if laundered regularly.  I really wanted to get a feel for thoughts from different facilities and appreciate the feedback! 



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Posted 27 December 2018 - 01:41 PM

We are fresh cut produce and we do allow beanies. It's just too cold in there not to. We did try the hood style hair nets for better coverage if it's a concern. As long as you're solid on your training and that hair/hats must be completely covered we haven't seen issues.

 

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Posted 27 December 2018 - 02:12 PM

I worked for a canned tomato product producer and we had individuals asking the same thing. We had a customer who said no to baseball caps for the reasons mentioned above. I myself said that they could wear a beanie but a hairnet should be under and over the beanie. However we did offer bump caps (like a hard hat) for those who wanted to wear a hat. Those were easily cleaned and usually white so you could see if they were not clean enough to meet standards. I think you base it on risk and customer demands. We also had a customer GMP that was to use a lint roller. If you decide to allow it I recommend a hairnet under and over. 



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Posted 27 December 2018 - 05:33 PM

When it gets real cold here I'll double up hairnets, they act as a beanie.



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Posted 27 December 2018 - 05:36 PM

I am a Quality Assurance manager at a Frozen food Mfg.  This topic just came up here again.  I do not allow baseball caps.  I do however allow headbands if they are completely covered by a hairnet.  This helps them to keep all of their hair covered.  If they are working in the freezers or coolers I allow stocking hats as long as they are covered by a hairnet.  



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 04:22 PM

We do not allow ball caps as they cannot be completely covered by a hairnet and for the reasons mentioned above. We do allow beanies and headbands as long as they are completely covered by a hair net. When I worked in production I wore headbands to keep my fly aways (I have big hair) from creeping out of my hair net. I almost feel like headbands and beanies provide more protection in those cases than simple hair ties and buns. 



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Posted 01 January 2019 - 05:47 AM

I've always allowed this if there is a hairnet both under and over the beanie. It follows the same GMPs, like frequent washing, as other apparel does. 

 

 



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Posted 01 January 2019 - 06:26 AM

Hello,

Thank you for your responses!  The employees requesting the ability to wear baseball caps have no legitimate reason for wanting to wear them, other than comfort/habit.  The plant has two employees that work in the storage freezer and they are provided with coats and gloves that are on a laundering schedule. I think that baseball caps do not get washed nearly enough, but the beanies on the other hand I could see being of actual use if laundered regularly.  I really wanted to get a feel for thoughts from different facilities and appreciate the feedback! 

Since there is no "legitimate reason" for wanting to wear ball caps, the answer would be an emphatic no.

 

Beanies or toques, would be acceptable, as long as the cleanliness of them were verified and only in areas where employee comfort is a consideration.

 

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 05:14 PM

Baseball hats are a hard NO

 

Touques however, can be completely covered by a balaclava style hairnet so yes........as long as company issued and laundered


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 10:29 PM

To further assist in ensuring the beanies are washed regularly, you could try to explore with your uniform laundry service provider if they can provide beanies and forms part of your PPE laundry requirement.



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Posted 07 January 2019 - 09:36 AM

We have allowed staff to wear beanies under their hair nets/ snood caps in the warehouse as in the winter it is colder than the chillers! We have never permitted this in the production areas but they dont get cold. Baseball caps would be a definate no as they serve no purpose and as people have said above they are not washed that often.



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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:12 PM

If you decide you would like to allow these for the moral of your employees my best advice would be a very throughout risk assessment and a specific cleaning/washing requirement for these items.  As stated above beanies are more easily cleaned and seem to be preferred.  I have been in cold storage facilities with an SQF certification that have allowed these.  Most of the time these are worn in areas considered storage and not production so the product is closed and sealed which you can use in your risk assessment as justification.  They used face mask like hairnets to complete enclose the piece of clothing.


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SELECT t.*,xxx.* FROM ibf_topics t LEFT JOIN ibf_core_tags_cache xxx ON ( xxx.tag_cache_key=MD5(CONCAT('forums',';','topics',';',t.tid)) ) WHERE t.tid=33960

SELECT f.*,p.* FROM ibf_forums f LEFT JOIN ibf_permission_index p ON ( p.perm_type='forum' AND p.app='forums' AND p.perm_type_id=f.id )

SELECT * FROM ibf_skin_cache WHERE cache_set_id=10 AND cache_type IN ('css', 'replacements')

SELECT * FROM ibf_topic_ratings WHERE rating_tid=33960 and rating_member_id=0

SELECT p.*,m.member_id as mid,m.name,m.member_group_id,m.email,m.joined,m.posts, m.last_visit, m.last_activity,m.login_anonymous,m.title as member_title, m.warn_level, m.warn_lastwarn, m.members_display_name, m.members_seo_name, m.member_banned, m.has_gallery, m.has_blog, m.members_bitoptions,m.mgroup_others,pp.*,pc.*,rep_index.rep_rating as has_given_rep,rep_cache.rep_points, rep_cache.rep_like_cache,cca.*,ccb.cache_content as cache_content_sig, ccb.cache_updated as cache_updated_sig FROM ( SELECT pid, post_date FROM ibf_posts WHERE topic_id=33960 AND queued=0 ORDER BY pid asc LIMIT 0,25 ) z LEFT JOIN ibf_posts p ON ( p.pid=z.pid ) LEFT JOIN ibf_members m ON ( m.member_id=p.author_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_profile_portal pp ON ( m.member_id=pp.pp_member_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_pfields_content pc ON ( pc.member_id=p.author_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_reputation_index rep_index ON ( rep_index.app='forums' AND rep_index.type='pid' AND rep_index.type_id=p.pid AND rep_index.member_id=0 ) LEFT JOIN ibf_reputation_cache rep_cache ON ( rep_cache.app='forums' AND rep_cache.type='pid' AND rep_cache.type_id=p.pid ) LEFT JOIN ibf_content_cache_posts cca ON ( cca.cache_content_id=p.pid ) LEFT JOIN ibf_content_cache_sigs ccb ON ( ccb.cache_content_id=m.member_id ) ORDER BY z.pid asc

SELECT * FROM ibf_cache_store WHERE cs_key IN ( 'keywords_words' )

SELECT * FROM ibf_cache_store WHERE cs_key IN ( 'nexus_ads' )

SELECT * FROM ibf_nexus_ads WHERE ad_id=46

UPDATE ibf_nexus_ads SET ad_impressions=ad_impressions+1 WHERE ad_id=46

SELECT s.*, s.id as row_session_id,m.* FROM ibf_sessions s LEFT JOIN ibf_members m ON ( m.member_id=s.member_id ) WHERE s.id='2bde8b7184af960e0027f0f82fc9e8a8' OR (s.current_appcomponent='forums' AND s.running_time > 1600909345 AND s.in_error=0 AND s.location_1_type='topic' AND s.location_1_id=33960)

SELECT * FROM ibf_core_like_cache WHERE like_cache_id='e1b0d87fc267a3cb2ec697d0bc9f9b37'

SELECT m.*, m.member_id as my_member_id,p.*,pp.*,g.*,ccb.cache_content FROM ibf_members m LEFT JOIN ibf_pfields_content p ON ( p.member_id=m.member_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_profile_portal pp ON ( pp.pp_member_id=m.member_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_groups g ON ( g.g_id=m.member_group_id ) LEFT JOIN ibf_content_cache_sigs ccb ON ( ccb.cache_content_id=m.member_id ) WHERE m.member_id=49524

SELECT * FROM ibf_nexus_ads WHERE ad_id=32

UPDATE ibf_nexus_ads SET ad_impressions=ad_impressions+1 WHERE ad_id=32

SELECT b.*,t.tpb_name FROM ibf_ccs_blocks b LEFT JOIN ibf_ccs_template_blocks t ON ( t.tpb_id=b.block_template ) WHERE b.block_active=1

SELECT cache_content FROM ibf_ccs_template_cache WHERE cache_type='full'

SELECT s.id, s.member_id, s.member_name, s.seo_name, s.login_type, s.running_time, s.member_group, s.uagent_type,m.member_banned FROM ibf_sessions s LEFT JOIN ibf_members m ON ( m.member_id=s.member_id ) WHERE running_time > 1600909345

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SELECT * FROM ibf_cache_store WHERE cs_key IN ( 'tapatalk_banner_data' )

SELECT * FROM ibf_cache_store WHERE cs_key IN ( 'tapatalk_banner_expire' )

SHUTDOWN: INSERT INTO ibf_sessions (`id`,`member_name`,`member_id`,`member_group`,`login_type`,`running_time`,`ip_address`,`browser`,`in_error`,`current_appcomponent`,`current_module`,`current_section`,`location_1_type`,`location_1_id`,`location_2_type`,`location_2_id`,`location_3_type`,`location_3_id`,`uagent_key`,`uagent_version`,`uagent_type`,`uagent_bypass`) VALUES('2bde8b7184af960e0027f0f82fc9e8a8','',0,2,0,1600912944,'3.226.241.176','CCBot/2.0 (https://commoncrawl.org/faq/)',0,'forums','forums','topics','topic',33960,'forum',0,'',0,'__NONE__',0,'',0)

SHUTDOWN: INSERT INTO ibf_topic_views (`views_tid`) VALUES(33960)

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