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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:21 PM

Hello All,

 

I have asked an 2 auditing bodies this question.

 

What FSC under SQFi is poultry slaughter, whole bird packing, cutting and de-boning, plus packaging of raw poultry parts.

 

So far I have gotten two different answers.  One was 7 & 8, Modules 2, 9, & 11, the other answer was FSC 8, Module 11 (including 2).  I think they are both wrong.  According to my reading I think I fall under FSC 7, Module 9. 

 

Can I get your collective thoughts on this topic?

 

Is there someone at SQFi that could clarify this?

 

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:36 PM

7 Slaughterhouse, Boning and Butchery Operations: Red Meat Poultry Meat C:

pre-process handling of animal products System elements Module 9: GMP for pre-processing of animal products

 

Applies to the slaughtering, dressing, processing, transport, storage, chilling, freezing and wholesaling of all animal species and game animals for consumption and extends to all meat cuts. Includes uncooked poultry, pork and red meat animal species prepared in retail butcher shops, boning rooms and meat wholesale markets, including ground (minced) meats. Bone in and whole muscle fillet for pork and red meat species including ground (minced) red meat. Bone in and whole muscle poultry fillet and ground (minced) poultry meat.

 

So don't hire either one of the auditing companies!!!!

https://www.sqfi.com...ring1212017.pdf

 

Towards the end of the manufacturing code book you will find descriptions of each of the categories. This would put you into Module 9 (and 2, but that's for everyone).  You can ALWAYS email SQFI directly about questions, emails are on SQFI.com

 

FSC 8 would only apply if you were making sausage or some such thing where you are adding other ingredients  


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:40 PM

FSC 7 for modules 2 & 9.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 02:37 PM

Any CB recommendations?  



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 02:49 PM

Thank you so much for the information.  I have contacted SQFi for their answer also.



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 02:54 PM

I don't have any recommendations, just a suggestion that you steer clear of NSF-----------------very expensive by industry standard, which would be fine if you got value for the difference....they are aware that they are 20% more than the standard rate when comparing apples to apples


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:00 PM

Why is it you can't figure it out yourself?


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:05 PM

Scampi - recently sat in for an audit at a company that used NSF.

The Auditor made a statement that did not apply to SQF right at the beginning of the audit then went about miss-applying several standards.

The facility personnel did not pick up on these issues, if I had not done so the ultimate grade would have dropped them into a fail.

I have seen other NSF Auditors do the same and on occasion some others but NSF seems to lead the pack on show boating and miss application of standards.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:14 PM

CICS ask for Henerette


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:19 PM

Couldn't agree more Glenn (i was trying to be tactful LOLOL)

 

I fired them and had them pay for our registration this year..............they failed the site prior to my taking the position over bu****it things that never should have even been mentioned (a well that is out of scope not being capped---um out of scope!)   Oh yeah-it was 35C and the auditor was in the middle of an 8 week fast and wouldn't even drink water.............can you think clearly like that?  I cannot

 

I blasted head office, and as a result you will see I have zero patience for auditing stupidity and auditors behaving like gods and above reproach.

 

Right now I cannot get an answer from my current CB regarding an exemption to an element which should be cut and dry...........I have gone over the technical managers head and they have 2 days........at which point I will go over his head and directly to SQFI

 

Who exactly is overseeing these schemes to ensure that the code is applied evenly, fairly and justly to the people paying the bills??????????????  Seems to me we've just traded industry policing itself for want-to-be lawyers (yourself obviously exclude Glenn) throwing their weight around.............which as the recalls attest, is doing zipadoda to improve the safety of the food in the marketplace


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 04:21 PM

I have experience with two CBs and they are the contacts I used to determine my fsc.  When I received two different responses, I thought I would ask the ifsqn folks.  I appreciate the responses and I will be contacting other CBs.

 

Thanks again 






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