11 replies to this topic

[Sparkle27]

Hello,

 

The centre that I worked in is HACCP certified.

We would like to boost our pest management and base on last year review on pest there are few occasions on rats at bakery.

 

We were wondering if we are allowed to instal glue trap inside the ceiling panel  of bakery area. Would that be a risk?

 

Any comments may be helpful.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Hi peiyng27,

 

I dont understand what is mean inside the ceiling? You have artificial ceiling and you want to put the glue trap under the ceiling - in the distance between the roof and the artificial ceiling? 

If i understood right and the case is this - i think it is not a problem to put it. Of course you should make hazard analysis of this because only based on few words nobody can told you it is safety or not. 

Why you dont thing in other way - about prevention. Make investigation and trend analysis to see were the pest activities are more, when they are increase, what is that place/s.... After that based on this trend analysis and finded the root cause you can increase the baits which are outside or maybe will be better to take and some other preventive actions based on the cause (e.d. if the place where activities are increase is near to the waste containers you can shose to take off more often the waste...)

The good practice is to be putted 2 cordons baits outside - one trought to the wall which cover your area and second around the buildings. Where have a door is good practice baits to be puted to the both sides (left and right) and many many other things. There are many guidances about the pest control.

Have a nice day.

 

Best regards,

Ivan

[Setanta]

Unless you are going to check that daily, (and maybe not even then), I would advise no. You do not want a dead, decaying mouse carcass above your bakery ingredients, even with the with the false ceiling between them. That would attract flies, maggots, etc. and they could potentially set up right above your bakery.

Baiting them away and then killing them is the best option. Then prevent access to that space.
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[Scampi]

Remove the drop ceiling...........not a cheap thing, I understand, but in the long run, it's really what should be done

 

For now, absolutely not, for all the reasons MsMars stated

 

Try and secure entry points to the ceiling and make sure your outside bait stations are being refilled as frequently as needed

[Hoosiersmoker]

Are the ceiling tiles solid so no debris could be knocked loose from the rodents running around? What is the possibility to have someone reputable come in and seal all holes to eliminate them entering in the first place? Then bait stations outside around the perimeter will reduce entry likelihood. what is the possibility of removing the false ceiling and finish the underside of the roof supports? That would eliminate the areas they travel through, then traps inside to eliminate the remaining vermin.

[k.boardman]

Just discussed with our pest control person, a glue board will not stop a rat, a trap is not effective after a certain point, rats are too smart, they will just walk around them after they learn what they are.

 

Need to eliminate the access points.

[MsMars]

Remove the drop ceiling...........not a cheap thing, I understand, but in the long run, it's really what should be done

 

For now, absolutely not, for all the reasons MsMars stated

 

Try and secure entry points to the ceiling and make sure your outside bait stations are being refilled as frequently as needed

 

Even though I agree wholeheartedly with and would duplicate the advice given by Setanta, I can't quite take the credit for it.   

[Scampi]

Oh Lordy  Setanta, I'm soooooooooo sorry!!!!!

 

Thanks MsMars

[mgourley]

Exclusion is always the best policy.

 

If you already have an infestation, well, that's a different problem.

 

As mentioned above, unless you are going to check the boards daily, it's probably not a good idea.

Rats are very smart creatures. They have runs that they make, but as soon as they sense something new in that run, they will bypass it.

 

Marshall

[Ivan Ivanov]

Hello again,

Ok, i am agree that if they remove the false cailing they will eleminate the risk from pests. But as all of you know many times there have a lot of cabels, ventilation pipes, etc. After removing the false ceiling how will change the risk from foreingn bodies? How will change the problem with condensation?
You solved one problem but can made more other.
For me the better way is fight to catch and kill them outside. How i supposed 2 cordons of baits. Deep investigation and demanded ttrend analysis are the first step if you want to do some stable solution.
Remember that BRC require if you have false ceiling to chech it regularly anyway that you have or not traps.

Best regards,
Ivan

[Sparkle27]

Thank you for the replies.

 

At the meantime, it's a preventative measures on pest management. Replacing the ceilings won't be cheap especially, it's an old building.

It's a management decision to show that they are implementing something to work on last year complaint.

 

So, let's say we monitor daily with records. Will an external auditor mark non-conformance knowing this?

Say is the glue on the boards is toxic, will that cause another problems?

 

Best regards,

Pei  

[mgourley]

Absolutely a toxic trap would be a problem.

Otherwise, if you have a map of the traps and documentation to show that you are checking them on the required periodicity, an external auditor should have no problem with it.
Although, be prepared for the auditor to look much closer at your facility if you have these traps in place.

 

Marshall

Edited by mgourley, 24 January 2019 - 01:00 AM.