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[Quality-Assurance]

Hi all,
I have a few questions:

Is a beer factory a low risk or medium risk? I quickly looked that the HACCP flow chart from the internet and they have 2 CCPs which is rinsing bottles and the bottle filler.
Could you please share with me study materials about food safety requirements in beer factory?
Also do you know what is plating out procedure and PCR in beer industry?

To Australian food safety team in this forum: Does beer factory require to follow BRC, Coles or WQA standards? Do they need to comply to these standard in order to sell the beer in Australia?



Thanks in advance,



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[Dr.Khan]

Dear Quality Assurance

 

If the company is not selling directly to Woolworths and or Coles then there is no need to follow their standards.The company must have a HACCP based quality system, which quality systems the company decided to is just depends on their own and their customer requirements.

 

Kind regards

Dr Humaid Khan

MD
Halal International Services

Australia 

[Quality-Assurance]

Thanks for your reply. I visited a beer factory last week and there was not any knowledge and practice of food safety there. It was very shocking. I saw broken glass next to filling machine, cockroaches were running around tanks! Dirty machines. A giant mess! It is a famous beer brand here in Australia. They told me that due to alcohol base drink no food safety is required. It was shocking for me to see these type of factories in Australia!


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[Charles.C]

Hi all,
I have a few questions:

Is a beer factory a low risk or medium risk? I quickly looked that the HACCP flow chart from the internet and they have 2 CCPs which is rinsing bottles and the bottle filler.
Could you please share with me study materials about food safety requirements in beer factory?
Also do you know what is plating out procedure and PCR in beer industry?

To Australian food safety team in this forum: Does beer factory require to follow BRC, Coles or WQA standards? Do they need to comply to these standard in order to sell the beer in Australia?
Thanks in advance,
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Hi Quality Assurance,

 

What are yr preferred criteria for distinguishing between low and high Risk ?

[Quality-Assurance]

Hi Quality Assurance,

What are yr preferred criteria for distinguishing between low and high Risk ?

I would say low risk is like a fruit packing shed that do not require to have a CCP. It may have few QCPs and a food safety system like SQF. I was thinking that a beer factory should low risk. However medium risk, I would say something like a raw meet factory that do not have a cooking process. Please correct me if I am wrong.


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[Charles.C]

I would say low risk is like a fruit packing shed that do not require to have a CCP. It may have few QCPs and a food safety system like SQF. I was thinking that a beer factory should low risk. However medium risk, I would say something like a raw meet factory that do not have a cooking process. Please correct me if I am wrong.


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The above is somewhat "intuitive".

 

Here is a somewhat more technical suggestion from your Local Authority -

 

https://www.health.g...dsafety-hygiene

[Charles.C]

Hi QA,

 

From a quick googling, Beer as a product is typically regarded as low risk from a HACCP POV.

 

The Risk status of the Factory itself may range from Low to High Risk depending on how it is set up with respect to Food Hygiene, GMP, Personnel, etc.

 

The attached beer extract/haccp plan may be of interest -

 

 beer.png   284.64KB   2 downloads

 

 haccp plan for beer.doc   6.41MB   34 downloads

 

 

[Hank Major]

You all may find better results from your research if you stop using "beer factory" as a search term and use "brewery" instead.

[Quality-Assurance]

You all may find better results from your research if you stop using "beer factory" as a search term and use "brewery" instead.

Thanks you.


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[GMO]

I would say low risk is like a fruit packing shed that do not require to have a CCP. It may have few QCPs and a food safety system like SQF. I was thinking that a beer factory should low risk. However medium risk, I would say something like a raw meet factory that do not have a cooking process. Please correct me if I am wrong.


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I would disagree.  I would split apart low risk and high care or high risk on whether or not the product can support the growth of pathogens.  Just because a product can't support growth however, does not mean it would (or should) be produced in a "shed".  So for example, bread would be low risk, crisps would be low risk, flour would be low risk.  All high risk from pest control points of view but low microbiological risk.

 

What I'm trying to say is there should be a certain "basic standard" of hygiene in any food factory and cockroaches running around aren't it.

[Charles.C]

I would disagree.  I would split apart low risk and high care or high risk on whether or not the product can support the growth of pathogens.  Just because a product can't support growth however, does not mean it would (or should) be produced in a "shed".  So for example, bread would be low risk, crisps would be low risk, flour would be low risk.  All high risk from pest control points of view but low microbiological risk.

 

What I'm trying to say is there should be a certain "basic standard" of hygiene in any food factory and cockroaches running around aren't it.

 

Indeed opinions/definitions do vary. One can find a whole range of scopes for non-"low risk" in the Literature.

 

The above "red" presumably results in all raw (ie non-RTE) meats being classified as not low risk. I think most haccp (process) plans implicitly disagree with this viewpoint.

 

it is fortunate that most FS Systems do not include the terminology "Low Care".

[GMO]

Indeed opinions/definitions do vary. One can find a whole range of scopes for non-"low risk" in the Literature.

 

The above "red" presumably results in all raw (ie non-RTE) meats being classified as not low risk. I think most haccp (process) plans implicitly disagree with this viewpoint.

 

it is fortunate that most FS Systems do not include the terminology "Low Care".

 

You are of course correct.  I missed out the proviso that it should also be RTE.