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#1 Ciegel

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Posted 28 October 2019 - 10:14 AM

Hi,

 

Our company produce non dairy creamer product. One of our customer need to put CAS number on our MSDS.

Is it non dairy creamer has CAS number?

 

Can anyone who has knowledge or experience in this field give me suggestion?

 

 

Many thanks

Ciegel



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Posted 28 October 2019 - 10:30 AM

I'd be a bit surprised if there was a single CAS number for this - generally they are used to identify single chemicals/substances, whereas the creamer is presumably a composite product containing a variety of materials?

 

Where is your company based / selling its products? This can have affect the requirements for MSDS information.

 

For some products it's possible / sensible to list the CAS numbers for the component parts, but this isn't always the case.

If you know what is in the product you can see how feasible this is using one of the various search sites for such things - the following may help:

http://ccinfoweb.cco...dex/search.html

https://chem.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/

http://www.commonchemistry.org/

https://web.archive....c.ec.europa.eu/

 

It's also not unheard of for customers to ask for data that isn't at all relevant to a product, simply because they haven't really thought about it and it's a standard process for them to request x/y/z... ;)
 



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Posted 28 October 2019 - 07:59 PM

My usual approach is to craft an "Additional Documentation Request Statement" which says that, "... have reviewed your request and regret that we cannot provide [whatever ludicrous nonsense they are requesting]. The documentation that we have provided, in our view, is sufficient to meet any audit requirements to which [their company] may possibly be subjected."

 

Then they file that in whatever slot they have for the request.
 



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:31 PM

A CAS number refers to a particular chemical.  I assume your product has more than one chemical so there is not one CAS number that refers to your product.

 

Why are you providing an SDS (formerly called MSDS) for a product that to me seems to be non-hazardous per OSHA regulations.

 

As pHruit suggested, you would have to list all the chemicals present in your product and their associated CAS numbers.  Wouldn't a list of ingredients make more sense since this is a food product?



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:51 PM

Indubitably.  The problem lies with customers just asking for a list of documents without knowing why, or the purpose.  A lot of customers I've dealt with on document requests ask for SDS or CAS number because they buy those types of materials too.  At every company I've been involved with on customer documentation requests I've drafted a general one page sheet regarding food products are not considered hazardous and thus do not require an SDS or have CAS number(s).  This has always been accepted.  I've had a few customers push back and want a specific list of all the products they purchase that fall under this statement.  I've never provided it...always tell them the general statement applies to everything we produce.  It doesn't amount to anything more.

 

A CAS number refers to a particular chemical.  I assume your product has more than one chemical so there is not one CAS number that refers to your product.

 

Why are you providing an SDS (formerly called MSDS) for a product that to me seems to be non-hazardous per OSHA regulations.

 

As pHruit suggested, you would have to list all the chemicals present in your product and their associated CAS numbers.  Wouldn't a list of ingredients make more sense since this is a food product?



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 12:11 AM

Hello, 

 

I come from an interesting background of QA manager who studied Industrial Hygiene as a MS. I have been working with both OSHA and FDA (if you are in the USA) standard. Per OSHA, food and food products are not totally exempt. https://www.osha.gov.../1910/1910.1200 as I have understood any food packaged for retail does not require an SDS.

 

If it is a food going for further processing then it needs to be evaluated for hazardous exposure. You can determine if it a hazardous exposure using their appendix A.

https://www.osha.gov...0/1910.1200AppA if there are  then no SDS sheet is need. 

 

A good example is where I work, seasoning manufacture, I need to have SDS sheets for some ingredients. Some ingredients are combustible and have caused explosions if the right concentration is airborne. 

 

https://www.osha.gov...ustibledust.pdf

 

I probably over loaded you but if your product is for a retail establishment packaged for the consumer you are not required to have a SDS. 



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 12:14 AM

Indubitably.  The problem lies with customers just asking for a list of documents without knowing why, or the purpose.  A lot of customers I've dealt with on document requests ask for SDS or CAS number because they buy those types of materials too.  At every company I've been involved with on customer documentation requests I've drafted a general one page sheet regarding food products are not considered hazardous and thus do not require an SDS or have CAS number(s).  This has always been accepted.  I've had a few customers push back and want a specific list of all the products they purchase that fall under this statement.  I've never provided it...always tell them the general statement applies to everything we produce.  It doesn't amount to anything more.

 

I do agree that sometimes people are asking for document for items that are not a hazard. We had a safety consultant, who wanted a SDS for everything. I put a stop to this, I only ask to those that could be hazardous. Being in seasoning, I have gotten customers asking me for an SDS sheet. I provide them the SDS to those ingredients known to have caused issues. 



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:08 AM

At every company I've been involved with on customer documentation requests I've drafted a general one page sheet regarding food products are not considered hazardous and thus do not require an SDS or have CAS number(s).  This has always been accepted.  I've had a few customers push back and want a specific list of all the products they purchase that fall under this statement.  I've never provided it...always tell them the general statement applies to everything we produce.  It doesn't amount to anything more.

 

Same approach here. It's not clear where the OP is based, but in the EU I'd be issuing a statement to the effect that the product is a foodstuff in accordance with Article 2 of Regulation (EC) 178/2002 and is thus exempt.






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