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Can we conduct Metal Detector Calibration and Validation ourselves?


Best Answer , 12 April 2021 - 04:23 PM

An auditor is going to demand specific training for this, and you're going to have to prove that they are being retrained annually (like all other technical training requirements) I doubt (even though you may be correct) that the auditor will have ever seen this situation, and will not care for this.  Double check you're regulatory requirements, like Glenn said, you're opening yourself wide open to liability-real or implied

 

You may likely be open to 2 minors.....

11.2.3.2 Equipment shall be calibrated against national or international reference standards and methods or to an accuracy appropriate to its use. In cases where standards are not available, the site shall provide evidence to support the calibration reference method applied. 11.2.3.3 Calibration shall be performed according to regulatory requirements and/or to the equipment manufacturers’ recommended schedule.

 

https://www.food-saf...e-food-industry

 

The FDA also has regulatory requirements-----so no, the resume of your staff, however glowing, is not going to be sufficient

 

 

https://learnaboutgm...nt-calibration/


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 03:41 PM

My facility has a very old metal detector which is discontinued with its manufacturer that no longer exists. Presently, no OEM manufacturer will come test it for calibration/validation certificate other than Thermo-Fischer who asks for way too much money for such a menial task. My question is, is this something I can do myself instead of hiring a third-party? It's not difficult and is something me and my maintenance staff can do on our own. This is to satisfy SQF requirements.



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Posted 12 April 2021 - 03:56 PM

ask yourself what training your maintenance staff has to support them doing this certification? Training from manufacturer etc

 

What if someone chokes because this wasn't done properly?

 

Shell out the cash and get a new one


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:04 PM

Shelling out cash to get a new one when there is nothing wrong with this one is a very privileged way of thinking. Not all companies, such as mine, have that cash to spare. Our test pieces work perfectly and our MD is tested every half hour and at every product change over.

 

We simply need it "calibrated" which just requires putting the sensitivity to its highest point until product is falsely rejected, and then dialing up and down from there. It's simple. I'm simply asking, if I need to hire a "third party" to do something I can do inhouse by my own staff who are probably more qualified and experienced than many techs from the OEM manufacturers.

 

ask yourself what training your maintenance staff has to support them doing this certification? Training from manufacturer etc

 

What if someone chokes because this wasn't done properly?

 

Shell out the cash and get a new one



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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:06 PM

spend the money for what you say is a menial task unless you are willing to train your staff, document that and have them take full responsibility in the calibration and documenting that as well.

 

it might appear a large charge, however part of that is liability insurance - e and o, etc.

 

i'd spend the money.


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:14 PM

I guess I'll give you my background. I am a mechanical engineer who has previous experience working in food processing machinery and design, including metal detectors / check-weighers. I fully understand what I'm doing through my own education and experience within the industry and so does my staff; him being the maintenance tech at the plant for the last 30 years. Someone who I know can run circles around OEM techs with his knowledge.

 

Pieces of paper, such as certificates and what not, do not make something safer. Actual knowledge does. 

 

I will rephrase my question. Will I get a non-conformance if I do this myself? What should I provide the auditor? My resume along with my colleague's?

 

 

spend the money for what you say is a menial task unless you are willing to train your staff, document that and have them take full responsibility in the calibration and documenting that as well.

 

it might appear a large charge, however part of that is liability insurance - e and o, etc.

 

i'd spend the money.



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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:23 PM   Best Answer

An auditor is going to demand specific training for this, and you're going to have to prove that they are being retrained annually (like all other technical training requirements) I doubt (even though you may be correct) that the auditor will have ever seen this situation, and will not care for this.  Double check you're regulatory requirements, like Glenn said, you're opening yourself wide open to liability-real or implied

 

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11.2.3.2 Equipment shall be calibrated against national or international reference standards and methods or to an accuracy appropriate to its use. In cases where standards are not available, the site shall provide evidence to support the calibration reference method applied. 11.2.3.3 Calibration shall be performed according to regulatory requirements and/or to the equipment manufacturers’ recommended schedule.

 

https://www.food-saf...e-food-industry

 

The FDA also has regulatory requirements-----so no, the resume of your staff, however glowing, is not going to be sufficient

 

 

https://learnaboutgm...nt-calibration/


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:46 PM

i was clear in what you would need if you decided to do yourself - and the auditor will ask for this, as a former SQF Auditor i would ask for exactly what i just said.  you might have missed that in the knee response.


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