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Posted 01 May 2023 - 02:47 PM

Hey All,

 

I am curious what other nut roasting companies do when it comes to changeovers from tree nut to another tree nut. 

 

For example, if we are roasting cashews then the next job is macadamia nuts, do you do a full foam and allergen wash with the whole 9 yards of allergen swabs? We process a lot of different nuts in our facility and was just curious as to what other companies do. 

 

We always do a full allergen wash for tree nut to peanut and peanut to tree nut...but would like input on the different types of tree nuts.

 

TIA!! :) 



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Posted 01 May 2023 - 07:11 PM

Not specific so I'm sure you'll get a more precise answer but we manufacture multiple items with milk allergens.  We only do an 'allergen changeover' when going from group 1 (dairy) to group 2 (non-dairy) in our production process.  

 

Even if the dairy is from milk powder in some instances or cheese in another, it's all one group for us.  



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Posted 01 May 2023 - 07:22 PM

jcieslowski

 

Thank you for your reply. That is helpful.

 

My thought is since tree nuts are a grouped together in the 9 major allergens then they can be treated as a group when it comes to allergen changeovers. Right now we currently do and allergen wash and swab on the parts of the machine that wont be getting exposed to high heat ( ie the hopper and inlet belt ). But if they are going into the same tree nut oil anyway do we really need to do that. Couldn't we just do an ATP swab after the clean out for cleanliness instead. We use an overall allergen swab so it doesn't differentiate between the different tree nut proteins anyhow. 



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Posted 02 May 2023 - 04:24 PM

I think your idea to group tree nuts altogether is a sound one since the regulatory landscape has done the same

 

What you're already doing doesn't appear to need improvement--and I think the allergen swab (tree nut to tree nut) is unnecessary  


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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:21 AM

Hey All,

 

I am curious what other nut roasting companies do when it comes to changeovers from tree nut to another tree nut. 

 

For example, if we are roasting cashews then the next job is macadamia nuts, do you do a full foam and allergen wash with the whole 9 yards of allergen swabs? We process a lot of different nuts in our facility and was just curious as to what other companies do. 

 

We always do a full allergen wash for tree nut to peanut and peanut to tree nut...but would like input on the different types of tree nuts.

 

TIA!! :) 

The roasting companies that I know don't bother to do any specific changeover between different tree nuts and mention the risk of cross-contamination with other nuts on the label instead. It is crucial that people with allergies are informed about the specific allergens in the product.


Edited by SHQuality, 03 May 2023 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 04 May 2023 - 01:24 PM

I disagree. 

 

Even though they are all tree nuts, they have to be called out individually on your label. You cannot just label tree nuts or you will be out of compliance. It is not the same allergen, just a classification. Same with fish. 

 

As SHQuality said... 

 

The roasting companies that I know don't bother to do any specific changeover between different tree nuts and mention the risk of cross-contamination with other nuts on the label instead. It is crucial that people with allergies are informed about the specific allergens in the product.

 

They have a may contains statement. It should be noted that if the FDA were to test your macadamia nuts and find traces of cashews (from your example), then your product is adulterated because you do not have cashews on your label for macadamia nuts. A may contains statement does not protect you from a recall. It is either in your product, or it is not.

 

Since it does not sound like you are doing the changeover now, you should test the roasters to determine if you in fact do have multiple tree nut allergens present. That will give you the data you need to determine if a changeover is required or if you need to add multiple allergens to your label. 


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Posted 04 May 2023 - 01:50 PM

Man, I don't know about that.   The allergen is tree nuts, not a specific kind.   When I have to fill out a present in product/in facility form for a customer, it doesn't ask per nut, it just asks if I have tree nuts in the facility.   

 

So one of the allergens we have is milk, and my allergen statement says "wheat, milk, egg, and soy".   Does it matter if it's buttermilk, nonfat milk, whey?   No.

Is there even such a thing as being able to test for the trace presence of macadamia nuts in a container of cashews?    How does that work?

Not saying you're wrong, but at first glance that statement doesn't appear to hold water...



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Posted 04 May 2023 - 01:57 PM

I agree with Dale---those are 2 completely separate issues

 

If the FDA determined that TREE NUTS is the allergy class--then from an ALLERGEN viewpoint--you don't need to test for tree nut type allergens

 

LABELLING is different and must be truthful and not misleading

 

Does section 403(w) of the FD&C Act address the use of allergen advisory labeling (such as “may contain”)?

 

No. Section 403(w) of the FD&C Act does not address the use of allergen advisory labeling, including statements describing the potential presence of unintentional allergens in food products resulting from the manufacturing of the ingredients or the preparation and packaging of the food in a retail or food service establishment. Advisory labeling, such as “may contain [allergen],” is not a substitute for adherence to current good manufacturing practices and, when used by a facility, food allergen preventive controls. In addition, any advisory statement such as “may contain [allergen]” must be truthful and not misleading

 

When is a food considered adulterated under Section 402 of the FD&C Act?

 

Section 402 of the FD&C Act includes many reasons a food may be adulterated including: • If the food bears or contains any poisonous or deleterious substance which may render it injurious to health; consists in whole or in part of any filthy, putrid, or decomposed substance, or is otherwise unfit for food; or has been prepared, packed, or held under insanitary conditions whereby it may be rendered injurious to health; • If the food is a dietary supplement or contains a dietary ingredient that presents a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury under the conditions of use recommended or suggested in labeling; is a new dietary ingredient for which there is inadequate information to provide reasonable assurance that such ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury; or is a dietary supplement declared by the Secretary to pose an imminent hazard to public health or safety


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Posted 04 May 2023 - 02:12 PM

Man, I don't know about that.   The allergen is tree nuts, not a specific kind.   When I have to fill out a present in product/in facility form for a customer, it doesn't ask per nut, it just asks if I have tree nuts in the facility.   

 

So one of the allergens we have is milk, and my allergen statement says "wheat, milk, egg, and soy".   Does it matter if it's buttermilk, nonfat milk, whey?   No.

Is there even such a thing as being able to test for the trace presence of macadamia nuts in a container of cashews?    How does that work?

Not saying you're wrong, but at first glance that statement doesn't appear to hold water...

 

There are some allergen tests out there for nuts, but i dont believe there is one for every kind. I know they use ELISA testing. But at the end of the day, the allergen is a different protein is all I'm saying. Just because someone is allergic to 1 tree nut, does not mean they are allergic to them all. 

 

As for your example with milk, all those ingredients you stated are derived from the same milk protein. 

 

If I am making a nut mix and have almonds, cashews, coconut, and peanuts - the allergen statement would not say Contains tree nuts and peanuts. it would say contains almonds, cashews, coconut, and peanuts because they are all different proteins that people could be allergic to.

 

That was just the point I am trying to get across but if industry standard is to not have a changeover, then just go with the majority on this one. Just sounds like a cross-contact risk to me. 


Edited by Kara S., 04 May 2023 - 02:17 PM.

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:56 PM

I very much appreciate everyone's input on this subject.

 

They do sell separate allergen swab tests for specific tree nuts or just tree nuts as a whole ( Much less expensive lol)

 

I want to make sure we are in compliance and producing our product safely. The SQF audit we went through recently they did not ask for us to prove allergen wash over and results from tree nut to tree nut. Now that could have been something overlooked, i'm not sure.

 

We do however wash and swab everything for ATP and a generic Allergen proteins swab when going between different tree nuts except the roasting belt, the roasting chute, and the cooling belt. Ever other part of the machine is swabbed. We do use a general Tree Nut oil separate from our Peanut oil for the roaster. 

 

My concern is if we do need a full allergen wash between each changeover we are using the same "tree nut" oil anyways.

 

I think the best route will be to do some swabs and send in some oil to be tested to see if it does detect the different tree nut proteins in the oil itself. 

 

If anyone else has any other suggestions please throw them my way!!

 

Thanks!





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