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[AnnPu]

Hi for everyone

 

 

could you help with link to ISO22000?

where is mentioned that all internal rules for product have to be proved / checked 

I have some misunderstanding with my colleagues: internal size rules are not fixed into records.

 

thank you in advance

 

[Evans X.]

Hi Ann,

 

What do you mean by internal rules or internal size rules?? Please provide more context or a few examples.

 

Taking a chance here, if you are talking about product size(???) which relates to weight hence specifications, then it would be par. 8.5.1.3. More importantly though it would be also a matter of legislation if you use the "e" sign.

 

Regards!

[AnnPu]

Hi Evans,

 

the weight (g, kg...) is a legislation rule.

i mean, we added additional internal quality metrics - like length, width  (cm, mm).

where is written to check internal rules or other product metrics?

[Evans X.]

Thank you for the clarification.

 

This is quite a discussion. The easy answer is no you don't have to record them. But the real question is what you need them for and who do you show them to.

 

For the first part, if you use them for a standardized process then are there any rejection limits if the product is off specifications? What happens if a worker responsible for these measurements slacks off doesn't reject some products out of specifications. To be more blunt who will be held accountable for a quality problem if there is no recording and sign off? These are just some questions you should consider if they affect you and the quality of the product and on what level, in order to decide if you need the recordins or no.

For the second part if it is something you show to a state authority inspector or to an auditor then yes you should have recordings to show them also.

[Scampi]

You should be recording your verifications---just like any other monitoring activity you do

 

Rule #1

Say what your going to do

Show that you did it

Prove that the "thing" is within allowable range

 

Without a record, how are you going to do that?  

 

Also note:  Regulatory requirements are king regardless of what a GFSI tells you

[Setanta]

The adage goes, "If isn't documented, it doesn't exist".