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Posted 25 May 2023 - 05:38 PM

Hello IFSQN,

 

(this is a throw-away account)

 

First I wanted to preface this post with a little background information on myself to help frame the position I have found myself in. I am a young female (age 23) and about 7 months ago I had been promoted to "Food Safety Coordinator '' here at a Confectionary Food Manufacturing Facility (with a focus mainly in chocolate) with an employee count of a little over 100 between 2 separate buildings. How I landed in this position was the Food Safety Coordinator at the time was looking to retire fast, and since I had gone to university for Biology and Chemistry as well as fostered a good reputation for myself here I became a prime candidate. I ended up accepting the position after 2 people had already fallen through. I came into this position very head strong and immediately started training and studying in everything pertaining to food safety. I received formal HACCP, PCQI, Food Defense, FSVP, FDA Labeling, and BRC Internal Auditor training and have obtained many certifications. During my free time at home I would read over the CFR, BRC Standard, and just about any other reading material I could find.

 

Immediately, while in training, I began to notice a plethora of vulnerabilities and weaknesses within our Food Safety Program, even within its very foundation (like the complete lack of risk assessments). None of the decisions here are made with food safety in mind, I am not even included in the meetings discussing said decisions despite being the only person in food safety here at our company. It also does not help that senior management does not actively partake in food safety since "that is my job". However, every time I would bring up these vulnerabilities I saw I was always met with the same responses such as, "it is not a big deal", "common sense says", "they will never look at that", "they have never said anything before", "that is not necessary", then my least favorites, "I am willing to take those risks", "that will never happen to us", and "other companies…". Even the previous Food Safety Coordinator whom I was training under seemed to have this mindset (he was the one who created our Food Safety Program).

 

After a short 3 months the previous Food Safety Coordinator retired and I inherited the system along with all of its responsibilities. Everyday I feared all the things that were going on that I was not made aware of. It had gotten to the point where I felt 70% of my job was spent arguing for, what seemed to me, basic food safety compliance. The other 30% was spent trying to pick up the messes people were leaving behind from not following or caring about processes/procedures/standards/legal requirements (even things such as simple documentation). They do what they want but are not willing to do what is required to do what they want. My hands have been tied because I do not have the authority to make the final decisions within food safety and everything I say and propose gets shot down. After consistently being put down I began to feel as if maybe I were the problem since I was the only one who thought and cared about these things, so I stopped being as vocal about the issues I was seeing and just "did as I was told". Because I am a person who highly values my integrity, doing this started keeping me awake at night, but I also knew that if I continued things as I was, everything else that was deemed to be my responsibility would start getting neglected as well. Some of these responsibilities include, creating/changing specification sheets, labels, nutritional facts, recipe sheets, work instructions, CAPA reports, reviewing and monitoring suppliers, prerequisite programs (such as doing ATP swabbing), customer complaints, GMP inspections, internal auditing of the system, and the list goes on. 

 

Fast forward to the nightmare that was our unannounced BRC Audit that just happened in the beginning of this month. Everything bad that could have happened during this audit happened and all of the odds were stacked against me. First off this was my first audit which is very daunting in itself let alone it being unannounced. Also, I am still relatively new to Food Safety and I was still (and still am) getting familiarized with the system I inherited. Before the previous Food Safety Coordinator retired we made an agreement that he would still be present during this audit. However, that morning he had left for a different state to attend his granddaughter's graduation. Not only that but there was a recent death within the company's family (the family makes up the vast majority of senior management) and the calling hours as well as the funeral were scheduled on the same days of the audit, I had no support... I was alone in this. Then the Audit started, every single one of those vulnerabilities and weaknesses I previously mentioned the auditor found. She was very thorough, ruthless, but fair. She was really concerned about our food safety culture and was not impressed with management, but she was extremely impressed with me. She even went as far as to say she had never met someone pick up food safety as quickly as I have. In the end I was able to produce a good score on our audit, but she made it clear that it was only because she believed in my ability to fix things.

 

As time goes on and as meetings and discussions happen, the more I fear change is beyond my control. I once again brought up the vulnerabilities within our system, and that we are obligated to continuously improve our Food Safety Program. I stated that my job should be focused more on making sure our system is alive and well, and be aware of how it is actually being implemented. I specified that I need a team of people to help maintain the health of the system, and continued by stating that the system is not sustainable all on my own. That it will inevitably continue to weaken due to neglect. I have repeatedly laid out that if given the time, resources, and ultimately the support I need I have the capability to make great changes and growth within our company’s Food Safety Program. I questioned how we expect to continuously grow/improve in food safety under our current circumstances. I tried informing them that food safety is ultimately here to protect the company and our consumers/customers, and that these vulnerabilities have the potential to harm either or. That we cannot have the mindset that nothing bad will ever happen to us. Even though I was blunt and straightforward in explaining that I need more support and the trust of senior management, they continue to believe there are no real issues. They want to believe the problem lies within the auditor since the previous auditor did not find the same issues/vulnerabilities. I have begun to regret producing a good score on our unannounced audit because I believe my company thinks they are out of the range of repercussions.

 

Have I exhausted my resources, am I just beating a dead horse? What do I do now?


Edited by F00d S@f3ty, 25 May 2023 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2023 - 06:49 PM

I'd say if there is this much needed stress and you feel they are never going to change, you need to look for a role in another company.  Especially if they are not listening to what the auditor has said.  If their tune hasn't changed since the audit and its more of the same old, it sounds like it isn't going to change.  You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and care, so my advice is to simply find  anew company to continue to grow.  



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Posted 25 May 2023 - 07:24 PM

you walk .period

 

It's a shame, but since your predecessor wasn't able/willing to make changes, it appears the company firmly entrenched in the belief that they are untouchable and you DO NOT want your reputation attached to a company that will, at some point, likely find themselves in some very hot water


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Posted 25 May 2023 - 07:58 PM

Welcome to forum. We understand exactly what you said and get your situation. I'm glad you had an auditor that saw what you were trying to do.

I agree with everyone else - start looking for a different position. Not sure if you have the auditor's contact. Maybe they'd let you use them as a reference if you do find another job to apply for.



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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:07 PM

Sadly, I have experienced a similar scenario.  It is maddening.  It is definitely worth your sanity to be looking to join another organization before something serious occurs.  

 

I was with a beverage manufacturer and received zero support. I would look to the QC Manager for support and they would just shrug their shoulders.  I asked them if they had ever seen some of the things we were seeing and they told me "no never in their 20 year career".  Then we had in incident where the bottle transfer in the filler was creating shavings.  It looked like someone had dumped a ton of shaved coconut in there.  I set up a screen and started pouring through some of the rejects and did find at least 4 bottles that had plastic in them.  Plant Managers response was to just hose it down and continue running. I started a dialogue with internal management via email about placing things on hold and possible recall of some product.  I was told the issue was being handled but when I asked for details, I was told in person by the plant manager that I am to stop sending out emails and asking questions and that I was not in charge of the project.  I spoke with the QC Manager again who also expressed his concern over the issue but was unwilling to press anything.  Completely uncomfortable with the situation I sent what I had to the company we were packing for. I was immediately suspended and terminated the next day.  



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Posted 25 May 2023 - 08:25 PM

For your own sake, make sure you have a backup copy of EVERYTHING related to food safety.

If you reported an issue, but it was ignored, keep a copy of that.

 

Even if you are planning on leaving, be sure to do this first.

Then you can prove you were doing your part if/when things get messy. Godspeed, friend



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Posted 01 June 2023 - 02:46 AM

I'm sorry to hear that you're having to face this challenging and stressful environment that it sounds like you're currently finding yourself in with your company. 

 

for what it's worth.. I'd be willing to bet that most everyone in this community can relate to your experience & feeling of frustration at least on some level, unfortunately. BUT it sounds like you have the drive and energy to learn everything you can about how to do things properly and safely and that's something to feel proud of! 

This IFSQN network is easily the best resource in food safety and quality & most valuable tool I've found in my career. FSQA people are the most awesome people with a culture of lifting each other up and wanting to share any knowledge, information, advice, support they possibly can. So, try to find a company that's more aligned with your ethical values, but keep in mind that our job is always going to have a bit of frustration baked in just because of the nature of the system structure (for good reason, in a lot of ways to restrict conflicting interests & promote safe producing) but that often can feel like the burden is placed on FSQA to uphold policy. 

 

But you can trust that you will always have a supportive community of food safety professionals in your corner.



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Posted 01 June 2023 - 11:40 AM

For your own sake, make sure you have a backup copy of EVERYTHING related to food safety.
If you reported an issue, but it was ignored, keep a copy of that.
 
Even if you are planning on leaving, be sure to do this first.
Then you can prove you were doing your part if/when things get messy. Godspeed, friend


Send this to your separate, HOME-based account. Do not use company email for any backups.

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Posted 02 June 2023 - 09:31 AM

Wow.. I feel sorry for you, but do not give up !, audits are very difficult when you have no support from other departments. I can see your frustration and disappointment as I started as a QA.. and I saw all positions up to the Technical manager.. Take everything what you learnt and move to another company. The mind set won`t change, trust me - is like teaching old dog new tricks plus they will never introduce a new resources, unless something really bad will occur..  You are too young to be so stressed! I hope you will find a new great job ! fingers crossed :)



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Posted 02 June 2023 - 03:46 PM

How to build food safety culture?

1. Do not take the vulnerabilities or food safety issues personal. It is a company problem not yours. TAKE A DEEP BREATHE!!!! 

2. Food safety culture needs years to build. 

3. Take small feasible step, everyday, every week, every month. 

4. Your audit result is a good foundation. Complete all the CAPAs.

5. Do your regular GMP/hygiene inspections monthly or bimonthly. 

6. Keep food safety part of every meeting. Have at least 1-few agenda items. So people consider it important. 

7. Find champions from within the team (managers, supervisors, team leads, associates) so they can speak for your food safety issue. 

8. Start a print version of food safety newsletter. Convey behavior change messages in this newsletter. People read it. 

9. Establish an accountability system. Appreciate good things and take people responsible for repetitive food safety violations (even if it is  to termination level)

10. Document everything you do in terms of recommendations, corrective action, preventive actions. 

 

All of the above can help build a strong food safety culture. BUT it will take long time to establish. 


Edited by Sayed M Naim Khalid, 02 June 2023 - 03:47 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2023 - 03:30 AM

I’m torn by this post.

Firstly I’ve been there. And there are some places where the culture is rotten to the core. This could be one of them.

Secondly having your first position in food safety being one where you’re essentially alone is not great for you. If you can I’d look for another job and ideally one where you can learn as a team. It is lonely being the most senior for only food safety person on site even in companies with a great culture.

Lastly though, and in no way am I saying this is your fault, I think it’s worth working on your influencing skills. I could and probably did write accounts like yours early in my career. On reflection I now realise it was only 80% everyone else. I have got much more balanced in my approach and more mindful of how I persuade as I get older.

For example, when I was in my 20s the approach I’d use would leats be moral. I’d try and hit people’s emotional triggers. “We could kill someone!”

That does not work. It took me a good 15 years+ to realise some people will never be persuaded by a moral argument. BUT there may be things they will be persuaded by.

So for example, a company with a poor set of systems and culture tends to get repeat mistakes. By doing some decent root cause analysis and addressing it, you prevent those mistakes happening again and save money. While your motivation might be to prevent food safety issues, you could hook someone in with savings.

Or a second example. Say you have poor training for food safety. You won’t miraculously have fabulous training and leadership behaviours on health and safety if food safety is lacking. Those two behaviours just don’t work. So why not leverage fears of hurting a colleague? It’s like those thought experiments with a trolley bus, people get more emotional if a hurt person is likely to be close to them at the time of injury or directly their fault. So go for a two pronged attack. Build food safety and health and safety training together to minimise workload overall but also hook the food safety message onto one which might get more airtime.

Then there are the win wins. If people feel like you’re doing them a favour it means you build goodwill. That favour thought could actually be a win win. So for example I’ve had a few issues in the past where I’ve done SMED exercises on cleaning. My aim was always to improve cleaning efficacy but always there ends up being an efficiency improvement too. So I got what I wanted AND built credibility up to ask for something later which might not have a benefit.

Then I’d also start to find those champions. There will be people in your site who do care. Seek them out and talk to them about how to make things better together. I’ve had some great chats over the years with operators talking about quality and food safety. The more you engage with people the more your influence spreads.

But that all said, it’s easier to build that muscle if you have support. You will always find this job a lonely one. In future years when you have experience, it would be easier but a one person department can still be pretty tough. But what I want you to recognise, if you do leave, is that the culture is poor BUT you will encounter poor cultures in a lot of places. I realise now I wrote off companies and managers too soon in many of my early jobs. A bad culture and even a completely disengaged boss doesn’t mean you can’t start to influence that culture and realising you have that ability (or building it) will make you an awesome food safety professional long term.



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Posted 07 June 2023 - 06:26 PM

Whenever I face a situation where I have hit a wall and received no help, I always show the auditor the issues I have been struggling to gain support on them. A poor audit score is a reflection on the organization as a whole, not just the practitioner. I have had safety walkthroughs with insurance companies and intentionally pointed out issues that I have tried to correct, just to show it wasn't just an issue of what I want but rather just an issue that I identified that needed corrected, because that IS my job after all. That conversation might go something like this: "I don't bring up issues or corrections just to spend money or make more work, I bring them up because you pay me to find them to make our system stronger and our products safer which protects the company and all of our jobs". However, if the risk of losing their certification based on lack of support and resources (major system failure BTW) doesn't cause them to want to improve their system, I fear there is little hope for them. Also, I would personally like to know what company it is so I can avoid their products and the risk to my and my family's health! Bottom line: If they won't change you have no job any way, you might as well go elsewhere.



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Posted 08 June 2023 - 03:10 PM

It is so interesting reading this thread.  It makes me realise how much I've changed over the years.  In fact you can probably find old threads where I've said "I'd show the issues to the auditor."

I have spent so long now focusing on culture that I find I have an allergic reaction to forcing a team to act.  I don't think it works.  Yes you get that one issue done.  But there will always be another one.  Always.  If you put the energy into changing beliefs, behaviours etc, into influencing the team, then that has real potential to change long term.  

Don't get me wrong, it's A LOT of effort and I have left companies because of it.  In one company they wanted me to lie about a food safety issue to a customer, I refused then the MD sent an obscene email to me (I was accidentally on copy) so yep, I've pretty much faced it all and in some places you might as well give up.  Perhaps now I'm just to long in the tooth to give in to force.  I'd rather influence or walk away.  The rest of it is a waste of time long term.



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Posted 08 June 2023 - 04:42 PM

We've had a few issues with certain guys here, and I actually just told my boss "I'm not going to continue to do X to cover those guys" and his response was "the hell you're not...", lol.  

Overall our food safety culture is good, and management commitment is certainly great, so I feel quite lucky.



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Posted 28 September 2023 - 03:14 AM

1. Vulnerability Assessments
2. Gap Assessments
3. Internal Audits
4. About 3 years.





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