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[lavalienteQA]

Hi all,

 

 

I recently changed suppliers AGAIN for foreign material.

 

Here's the recent update:

 

Supplier spec states that never will present foreign material , not even burnt pieces, free of anything basically.

 

Our product uses 90% sugar so here we are again, rejecting product because low and behold there are charred pieces being detected by our MD. Lots of them. Supplier is coming back saying its just bagasse. 

 

 

We set our standard before and here we are fighting it again.

Anyone have data on limits or what we can fall on to support that we just can't have this or are we naive because it is organic product?

 

SOS - Thanks.. 

 

 

 

[Charles.C]

Hi all,

 

 

I recently changed suppliers AGAIN for foreign material.

 

Here's the recent update:

 

Supplier spec states that never will present foreign material , not even burnt pieces, free of anything basically.

 

Our product uses 90% sugar so here we are again, rejecting product because low and behold there are charred pieces being detected by our MD. Lots of them. Supplier is coming back saying its just bagasse. 

 

 

We set our standard before and here we are fighting it again.

Anyone have data on limits or what we can fall on to support that we just can't have this or are we naive because it is organic product?

 

SOS - Thanks.. 

Have you verified what the MD is actually finding ?

 

I wud have thought lots of charred material would have been visually obvious/rejectable anyway ( assuming it's regarded as foreign material).

 

IMEX (not sugar) specifications with zero FM are usually meaningless from both receiver/supplier POV.

 

"Standards", to be useful, are required to be achievable.

 

i suggest you have a look in the Literature for "Specifications".

[kingstudruler1]

 bagasse will pass through their filter AND cause md rejects?   

[Scampi]

If it's being detected by your MD it is NOT bagasse   

 

It sounds like it's bits from the pulping process that they are not detecting

[G M]

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Supplier spec states that never will present foreign material , not even burnt pieces, free of anything basically.

 

Our product uses 90% sugar so here we are again, rejecting product because low and behold there are charred pieces being detected by our MD. Lots of them. ...

 

Their response that it isn't X foreign material it's Y foreign material seems to blatantly ignore that the type of FM is irrelevant according to the spec.  Red herring argument.

 

Have you measured the % by weight or some other standard metric?

[lavalienteQA]

If it's being detected by your MD it is NOT bagasse   

 

It sounds like it's bits from the pulping process that they are not detecting

 

 It breaks apart, some not all pieces and leaves black streaks.

Also - I assumed MD is picking up because it turned to carbon? our MD is jacked up to high detection levels- FG is dressing 

[Scampi]

pure carbon is not metal detectable

 

so either it's the carbon residue AND other metal fragments or it's something else

[Setanta]

This sounds like something more than just carbon.