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[Brigita]

Hello!
We are a very small company - the whole process in one room!

The egg packing room (eggs are temporarily stored in this room, eggs are packed in a box and in this same room are stored for delivery to the customer) - this room is an open product area or can be defined as a enclosed area, because the eggs in this room are checked for cracks to the shells before being packaged.

Brigita:)

[SQFconsultant]

Hello good afternoon and welcome!

 

Were you making a statement only or did you have a question?

[Brigita]

Hello,
Thank you for your response.
Yes, it is a question - can I define such a process as a enclosed product area, according to BRC standard requirements?

Brigita.

[Tony-C]

Hi Brigita,

 

 

Welcome to the IFSQN forums.

 

I understand your comment regarding the egg being protected by the shell, but there is still a possibility for contamination (albeit a reduced one) and the product is not fully enclosed eithin packaging or equipment, so I would say shell egg packing would fall into an open product area - low risk category as per the decriptions from BRCGS below.

 

Open product areas

Wherever ingredients, intermediates or finished products are not protected from the factory environment, there is a potential risk of product contamination by foreign bodies, allergenic material or micro-organisms in the environment.

 

Low risk

The significance to human health of microbiological contamination in low-risk areas is reduced because the products either:

• do not support the growth of pathogens (either intrinsically or by design of the product) or the survival of pathogens, which could subsequently grow during the normal storage or use of the product

• are designed to undergo a later kill step that will ensure the product is safe to eat.

 

Enclosed product areas

An enclosed product area is defined as an area of the factory where all of the products are fully enclosed and therefore not vulnerable to environmental contamination (e.g. foreign bodies or micro-organisms). This includes areas where:

• the product is fully enclosed within packaging (e.g. raw material and finished product storage and dispatch areas)

• the product is fully enclosed within equipment

 

Kind regards,

 

Tony

[Brigita]

Hello,
Thanks for the answer!

Is this possible? This ONE ROOM classified as 2 zones, depending on processing carried out.
Packaging eggs in boxes is an open area, but storage is a enclosed area. If so, where should I pay attention - to environmental, safety risks? How to describe this section?

Brigita.

[lillabec]

Are the two processes - checking for cracks and storage - done at different times? If they are done at the same time, how far away is the storage from the open product? We have a LARGE area that contains both open and enclosed product and after a certain point, people aren’t required to wear their frocks over their clothes from home (where warehouse comes in to take away pallets of finished goods), but that is about the only differentiation there is between the two areas.

[Brigita]

Hello-
this space is 254 km2 - we receive the eggs from the barn on a conveyor belt (this room with the barn is separated by a wall), then we check the eggs for microcracks, the process of printing the eggs and then packing them in boxes and storing them in this room until delivery to the customer. We want to certify only this 254 km2 room, according to BRC (egg packaging, storage. Barn would be an exception). What would be the difference if I defined this room as an open or closed area?

Thanks to everyone who teaches me:).
Brigita.

[lillabec]

We work on lines at my facility, and the open product gets packaged as it flows down the line, and then gets toted and palletized. The product pallets are then taken from the production area to the warehouse (separated by a wall). Even when the product is fully packaged and traveling down the line and getting toted, we classify this as “open product” since there is a chance that the nearby open product could still get contaminated. Only when it’s on a pallet do we classify it as “enclosed”, because the palletizing area is far enough away from the open product that risk of contamination is negligible…so I would think you would need to do some sort of assessment to determine if there is a risk of contamination to the open product from the storage area. Hope that makes sense!!

Edited by lillabec, 17 August 2024 - 04:39 PM.

[Scampi]

Brigita--shell eggs are different than a lot of finished goods

 

The actual egg is ALWAY protected by the shell (which can be considered primary packaging)

 

You need a well written risk assessment that lays out that your product cannot be contamination by foreign material (chemicals exempted) without becoming inedible

[Brigita]

Hello,
Oh, thank you! This is a good idea to think about it!

[Brigita]

Hello,
The shell is covered by an epidermal film (cuticle), the function of which is to prevent microorganisms from entering the egg. Could I refer to this - to define it as a enclosed zone, ref. to the condition that the egg is not washed (this film is not removed) and checked for micro-cracks before being packed in a box?

Brigita.

[Tony-C]

Brigita--shell eggs are different than a lot of finished goods

 

The actual egg is ALWAY protected by the shell (which can be considered primary packaging)

 

You need a well written risk assessment that lays out that your product cannot be contamination by foreign material (chemicals exempted) without becoming inedible

 

Hi Scampi,

 

First of all, the question in the OP is how would the area be classified in terms of BRCGS definitions, although personally I wouldn't get too hung on that providing appropriate controls were in place.

 

Whilst I understand the thoughts that the shell protects the egg, I would only agree that this is the case for foreign bodies but not so much so for chemicals and there are studies out there that have shown external loading to be important and that micro-organisms migrate into the egg under certain conditions.

 

Advisory Committee on the Microbiological Safety of Food - Advises the Food Standards Agency

An update on the microbiological risk from shell eggs and their products - Horizontal transmission leading to internal contamination of eggs

2.6 It is possible for micro-organisms to enter intact eggs if cooling takes place in a moist environment such that a negative pressure gradient is created that draws fluids and suspended micro-organisms into the egg.

 

Impact of Different Layer Housing Systems on Eggshell Cuticle Quality and Salmonella Adherence in Table Eggs

The bacterial load on the eggshell surface is a key factor in predicting the bacterial penetration and contamination of the egg interior.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tony

[Ian R]

Hi Brigita

 

We store, inspect/candle, grade and pack eggs in a single building

We treat eggs as enclosed product due to the shell

but the shell is porous and so 'water' is the biggest risk along with chemicals and that is what we manage.

In the UK it is prohibited to wash eggs

Part of the inspection is to remove very dirty eggs and any with blood stains

 

We still consider foreign body risks from glass etc that could get into the box, but not the egg

 

regards

[Solveiga Gintere]

In our company, in Europe, (A and B class eggs),our BRC auditor and consultant said that egg packing could be closed product area. I said - no. They really have not enough knowledge.
I wrote to brc office, and fhey said, that it is open product area, of course, open.

But, i know company, where packiging is closed area. They have only A class eggs.all broken and dirty eggs go to byproduct (ES regulation have limits for nonconforming eggs). And they have managed to present it as closed product.