Jump to content

  • Quick Navigation
Photo

Internal Audit Approach – Should It Be Procedural or Clause-Based?

Share this

  • You cannot start a new topic
  • Please log in to reply
6 replies to this topic

Khansiraj90

    Grade - Active

  • IFSQN Active
  • 1 posts
  • 0 thanks
0
Neutral

  • Saudi Arabia
    Saudi Arabia

Posted 03 March 2025 - 09:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 I think the Internal Audit should be procedural based not the standard clause based

 

 

Cannot connect to Ginger Check your internet connection
or reload the browserDisable Ginger

RephraseRephrase with Ginger (Ctrl+Alt+E)

 

Edit in GingerGinger is checking your text for mistakes...Disable Ginger in this text fieldDisable Ginger on this website×

  • 0

Setanta

    Grade - FIFSQN

  • IFSQN Fellow
  • 1,858 posts
  • 398 thanks
514
Excellent

  • United States
    United States
  • Gender:Female
  • Interests:Reading: historical fiction, fantasy, Sci-Fi
    Movies
    Gardening
    Birding

Posted 03 March 2025 - 12:19 PM

Can you explain a bit more, I'm not following.

Thanks!

 

And welcome to the forums!


  • 0

-Setanta         

 

 

 


GMO

    Grade - FIFSQN

  • IFSQN Fellow
  • 3,396 posts
  • 819 thanks
343
Excellent

  • United Kingdom
    United Kingdom

Posted 03 March 2025 - 12:53 PM

I think the op might have used some software to check English?

 

In response to the original question, you can and I think should do both.

 

So firstly you have the standard requirement - the first step to all audits I do is to check that this is reflected in the FSQMS of the site and that the process contains all the clauses.  The next step is then to physically look go see and find out if what the site say they're doing is reality.  To have a decent audit, to my mind you need both.  The latter is more important in my view but remembering it's only a snapshot, having the right procedure (which people are trained against) is more likely to then have a compliant process which is consistently implemented.

 

But isn't that always the way with QFS?  In the case of you can do x or y the answer is normally "what about both?"


  • 1

************************************************

25 years in food.  And it never gets easier.


SQFconsultant

    SQFconsultant

  • IFSQN Fellow
  • 5,115 posts
  • 1230 thanks
1,267
Excellent

  • United States
    United States
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Home now on Martha's Vineyard Island/Republic of these United States

Posted 03 March 2025 - 02:47 PM

Who is Ginger?


  • 1

All the Best,

 

All Rights Reserved,

Without Prejudice,

Glenn Oster.

 

 

Glenn Oster Consulting, LLC 

SQF Full System Co-Creator & Implementation/Certification Consulting

Internal Auditor Training | eConsultant | Equity-Share Private Label Developers

http://www.GlennOster.com  -- 774.563.6161

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


MDaleDDF

    Grade - PIFSQN

  • IFSQN Principal
  • 711 posts
  • 241 thanks
524
Excellent

  • United States
    United States
  • Gender:Male

Posted 03 March 2025 - 04:23 PM

The nemesis of Mary Ann?

Yeah, our internal audit we cover both.   Agree with GMO.


  • 0

kingstudruler1

    Grade - FIFSQN

  • IFSQN Fellow
  • 1,089 posts
  • 355 thanks
349
Excellent

  • United States
    United States

Posted 03 March 2025 - 11:07 PM

I too am not following the statement.   

 

One of the first "requirements" for an internal audit is to establish the scope of the audit.   If one of the purposes of the internal audit is to ensure that you meet the clauses of the standard, not using that standards clauses as part of the scope doesnt make sense to me.   

 

Im sure its possible to conduct an internal audit without a consulting a standard.  But why re-invent the wheel.   


  • 0

eb2fee_785dceddab034fa1a30dd80c7e21f1d7~

    Twofishfs@gmail.com

 


Abdullah G

    Grade - Active

  • IFSQN Active
  • 16 posts
  • 0 thanks
0
Neutral

  • Earth
    Earth

Posted 04 March 2025 - 06:20 PM

Also Drax, Why is Ginger?

Who is Ginger?


  • 0



Share this

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users