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Why do you have a food safety culture plan?

  1. The standard tells me to. (15 votes [68.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.18%

  2. I genuinely believe it will help improve standards. (6 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  3. I don't have one. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. I'm not a believer but I want to be. (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

Who leads your food safety culture workstream?

  1. The site director (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  2. The HR Manager (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  3. The Ops Manager (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Someone in Technical (11 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  5. Someone else (9 votes [40.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.91%

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Posted 22 April 2025 - 03:14 PM

Let's find out a bit more... Why do you have a food safety culture plan and who leads it?


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Posted 22 April 2025 - 05:15 PM

Good one.  I had to pick one for Q1, but I was torn between a and d.  I want to believe they're a useful tool, but right now we only have one because the standard tells us to.  I sat through 5 separate webinars last year on fs culture, and the note I took away from all the experts was that as soon as you create a form to measure your fs culture performance, you've lost culture because now you're just ticking off boxes each month.  But from my SQF auditor(s) standpoint(s), at multiple facilities, if we don't have a controlled document recording how we check our culture each month, then it's ineffective.  We received a minor finding because the plants were using the monthly meeting to discuss written notes of food safety activities (which I think is indicative of a strong culture), but the auditors refused to accept it.

 

For Q2, everywhere I've worked, anything related to culture has to be driven by QA leadership.  Other departments will buy in when we force them to.  There's the old adage, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."  While that's true, you can force its head under the water and hold it there until it drinks or quits moving.  I say this only to emphasize how we sometimes have to force leadership to act, either to comply with code or because we think it's genuinely a good practice to adopt.

 

I think the "plans" should be open to much looser interpretations, while equally each company should be committed to a constantly evolving and improving culture just at their core.  My programs generally operate under a principal that "Food Safety is Everybody's Responsibility," but that's hard to write into a measurable standard.  I want employees to be vigilant for hazards we haven't thought of yet.  I want employees to notify supervisors immediately when they see something wrong.  I want employees to identify improvements in their own practices, things that help the company and make their jobs easier.  A rising tide elevates all the boats.


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Posted 22 April 2025 - 05:22 PM

Food safety culture plans are good in theory. However, like everything else, upper management has to back it for it to work. 


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 06:16 AM

Oh I agree kfromNE, I think there are improvements which can be made without upper management but without them it's way harder.  How can I genuinely be talking about food safety culture in one breath while I'm also being denied resource for more complexity and workload on the other?  Something has to give.

 

Disappointing that SQF is so rigid on this Jfrey.  I agree that culture improvement plans can take many forms and should include leading and lagging metrics.  Discussing them in existing meetings I would argue is more effective not less.  I'm not familiar with SQF though and how that portion of the standard is written.  


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 07:56 PM

There is a section on management commitment and allocating appropriate resources in SQF. I need to familiarize myself more on the food safety culture portion, because that changed since I ran an SQF program last, and for the life of me I can't recall seeing it when I went through the code again...


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 08:21 PM

The standard tells me to and technical (QA) leads. 

 

I for one love a good KPI, however having this ingrained into the SQF standard is a bit far reaching.  My Food Safety Culture is a policy document rather than a procedure or overarching program and we do have measurements with GMP compliance (which already occurring we just report findings or the lack thereof to all staff).  If there was some outlier or major issue with the overall culture there should be some paper trail to document and to review accountability.  Overall I am looking at more blatant NC's that affect the product and process and generally just promoting a culture of respect with all the staff.  Since food safety is everyone's responsibility then we all should be accountable for it and reporting an issue should be rewarded.  Now I am not opposed to having a FS culture more that I don't need a standard to tell me how my culture should be laid out or to have to answer to it as a code reference during an audit.  

 

Interesting to hear that an auditor handed out an NC for a lack of controlled document be completed.  Just another checkbox document to complete I guess.  


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 08:25 PM

The standard tells me to and technical (QA) leads. 

 

I for one love a good KPI, however having this ingrained into the SQF standard is a bit far reaching.  My Food Safety Culture is a policy document rather than a procedure or overarching program and we do have measurements with GMP compliance (which already occurring we just report findings or the lack thereof to all staff).  If there was some outlier or major issue with the overall culture there should be some paper trail to document and to review accountability.  Overall I am looking at more blatant NC's that affect the product and process and generally just promoting a culture of respect with all the staff.  Since food safety is everyone's responsibility then we all should be accountable for it and reporting an issue should be rewarded.  Now I am not opposed to having a FS culture more that I don't need a standard to tell me how my culture should be laid out or to have to answer to it as a code reference during an audit.  

 

Interesting to hear that an auditor handed out an NC for a lack of controlled document be completed.  Just another checkbox document to complete I guess.  

 

 

YES I have tried 3 times today to give voice to my frustration on Food Safety Culture. 

This comes close to echoing my feelings.


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 06:07 AM

There is a section on management commitment and allocating appropriate resources in SQF. I need to familiarize myself more on the food safety culture portion, because that changed since I ran an SQF program last, and for the life of me I can't recall seeing it when I went through the code again...

 

Ah but senior management commitment and "appropriate resources" have been part of GFSI plans since... I'm not sure but easily more than a decade.

 

But what does that mean?  And "appropriate" can hide a multitude of sins.  How many of us on this thread have struggled to get the resource we feel we don't just need but will fall over without?  And the standard stating that will do what exactly?  Zero.

 

 

The standard tells me to and technical (QA) leads. 

 

I for one love a good KPI, however having this ingrained into the SQF standard is a bit far reaching.  My Food Safety Culture is a policy document rather than a procedure or overarching program and we do have measurements with GMP compliance (which already occurring we just report findings or the lack thereof to all staff).  If there was some outlier or major issue with the overall culture there should be some paper trail to document and to review accountability.  Overall I am looking at more blatant NC's that affect the product and process and generally just promoting a culture of respect with all the staff.  Since food safety is everyone's responsibility then we all should be accountable for it and reporting an issue should be rewarded.  Now I am not opposed to having a FS culture more that I don't need a standard to tell me how my culture should be laid out or to have to answer to it as a code reference during an audit.  

 

Interesting to hear that an auditor handed out an NC for a lack of controlled document be completed.  Just another checkbox document to complete I guess.  

 

To my mind the intent is far more than that.  Think about it from a health and safety perspective for example.  How much (at least what I've seen in the UK) that H&S has become ingrained in ways of working and how much a site leader will (or should) be vocal about people safety?  Then think about the effort that goes into things like hierarchy of control for risk assessments etc.  It's not just about the retrospective "we've had a failure, why?" although that's part of it but it's also "what kinds of behaviours do we see now that we want to change" and "what kinds of behavioural lapses are likely"?


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 10:44 AM

Personally I think (at least for SQF) it's ill conceived and the fact that there is any requirement for physical documents and written assessments proves the flaw. A culture by definition is the actions, attitudes and customs of a people which are not tactile. I can understand having a written description of a FS Culture, and we do, but not documents that are part and parcel of that culture. How and what you train (not the materials), how FS is woven into various areas of your operations, how you measure involvement and attitude not that you measure it. It leaves the compliance and documentation realm and enters the attitude and mentality realm. Our plan is a systematic approach of raising FS awareness, incorporating it into all of our training and employee interactions - everything is geared toward an attitude of food safety and how we can involve all employees in it. Without the sinister element, it's brainwashing really! Employees don't necessarily realize they are a part of a food safety culture, it just becomes a part of their DNA as an employee. As they're trained their FS awareness grows when they learn how to do their job, FS is just built in to everything they do, it's not a document unless that document describes how you achieve a FS culture. My ¢.02 :smile:


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 11:16 AM

All good points but without some measurement of where the gaps are and some decision on an action plan on to how to improve, how is it targeted and how do you know if you've got better?  (At least without solely using lagging metrics which are really fallible.)


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 11:42 AM

How do you accurately measure Culture that doesn't become rote memorization of how The Company wants you to answer?

 

We can demonstrate how we want to support a good Food Safety Culture, with anonymous tip lines, anonymous surveys, and suggestion boxes that people can use, but they still have their opinions.

 

Perception is Reality, even when it isn't correct. A company could do all the things (and more) and an employee might perceive that 'they're not doing anything to promote food safety'

 

How is Culture a S.M.A.R.T goal?


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 11:59 AM

All good points but without some measurement of where the gaps are and some decision on an action plan on to how to improve, how is it targeted and how do you know if you've got better?  (At least without solely using lagging metrics which are really fallible.)

Our employee evaluation process (measurement) uses observation of targeted FS "behaviors" and overall attention to FS. They're performed and recorded on a schedule but the observation is continuous and a measurement is recorded on the "forms". The forms aren't the measure, just the record of the measure if that makes sense. Those can then be compared to determine improvement or deterioration. Improvement garners praise and recognition, deterioration gets discussion and suggestions for a plan to improve, all of which is also culture BTW - how you address culture is part of your culture. Absence of observed food safety issues (GMP violations, housekeeping etc.) can also be a measurement when used to compare FS performance YOY - is there housekeeping that happens regardless of (or in between) the schedules / checklists etc. all goes toward that culture. It shows that employees genuinely care about FS and it's important to them consistently, that's culture. Not having to be told to address something they see, just doing it because they identify the need = culture too.


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 12:40 PM

How do you accurately measure Culture that doesn't become rote memorization of how The Company wants you to answer?

 

We can demonstrate how we want to support a good Food Safety Culture, with anonymous tip lines, anonymous surveys, and suggestion boxes that people can use, but they still have their opinions.

 

Perception is Reality, even when it isn't correct. A company could do all the things (and more) and an employee might perceive that 'they're not doing anything to promote food safety'

 

How is Culture a S.M.A.R.T goal?

 

There are some good papers out there looking at different ways of measurement.  Often it's a combination of methods which work well.  For example, surveys can be part of it.  Interviews.  Focus groups.  Document review.  Etc etc.

 

The culture can't be a SMART goal but the plan can absolutely be designed that way if you're clearly identifying the behaviours you want to change and what the precursors are to those behaviours.  Identify what you want to change, specifically, identify how you will measure if it has etc.


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 01:07 PM

How do you accurately measure Culture that doesn't become rote memorization of how The Company wants you to answer?

 

We can demonstrate how we want to support a good Food Safety Culture, with anonymous tip lines, anonymous surveys, and suggestion boxes that people can use, but they still have their opinions.

 

Perception is Reality, even when it isn't correct. A company could do all the things (and more) and an employee might perceive that 'they're not doing anything to promote food safety'

 

How is Culture a S.M.A.R.T goal?

The SQF code just says 2.1.1 ii - "Establish and maintain a food safety culture" 2.1.1.2 "Senior site management shall lead and support a food safety culture within the site..." Appendix II Glossary "Food Safety Culture (GFSI): Shared values, beliefs and norms that affect mindset and behavior toward food safety in, across and throughout an organization.

Elements of food safety culture are those elements of the food safety management system which the senior management of a company may use to drive the food safety culture within the company..." 

 

I guess my response would be how the code element is flawed - Culture can be a good thing or a bad thing. Obviously the inference is for a good FS culture, but it doesn't specifically say that, while it should. What's the harm in adding the word "good" in front of Food Safety Culture? Bad management or an employee's upbringing can create a hostile environment and because that's the way they've always been it's their culture. Not a good one, but a culture nonetheless. I agree perception IS reality and people are flawed and opinionated so accurate measurement is subjective and differs from person to person. The integrity of your organization is dependent on good management and practices from the top down, something we read about all the time in posts here, like having to fight with management over the simplest, and sometimes low-cost issues (cell phones?). To me it's nearly impossible to have a GOOD FS culture in that situation - either accept it and get behind it (intelligently of course) or your food culture is fair or bad, it all flows through the organization. As far as SMART: Specific - Not necessarily given how open the code is. Measurable - that's also very subjective and depends on who you ask. Achievable - if I set low goals of course, but it depends on a multitude of variables. Relevant - no question about this. Timely - at least just in time for our audit!  :rofl2:


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 06:55 PM

The SQF code just says 2.1.1 ii - "Establish and maintain a food safety culture" 2.1.1.2 "Senior site management shall lead and support a food safety culture within the site..." Appendix II Glossary "Food Safety Culture (GFSI): Shared values, beliefs and norms that affect mindset and behavior toward food safety in, across and throughout an organization.

Elements of food safety culture are those elements of the food safety management system which the senior management of a company may use to drive the food safety culture within the company..." 

 

I can share where one site got gig'd this year was in that definition from the glossary (a part you didn't include above):

These include, but are not limited to:

• Communication about food safety policies and responsibilities

• Training

• Employee feedback on food safety related issues

Performance measurement.

 

From what I heard, the auditor ran through each of those bullets and asked for documents showing each bullet was measured.  Even though the site had a monthly meeting report that documented some activities each month, there wasn't a measured performance score to correlate.

 

The guidance doc is even more obtuse, showing the auditor may want to review anything and everything and decide whether it accounted for a good culture or not.

SQFI | Code Document

 
"The following are examples of records and/or documents to assist in the implementation and review of this topic:"
 
Food Safety Objectives & Performance Measures
Organization Chart
Capital Project Plan
Work orders
Internal Audit Reports
GMP Inspection Reports
Recognition Programs
Disciplinary Process
FS/Q Records
Training Records
Job Descriptions

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 11:50 AM

SQF aside as I don't have lots of experience with that standard, I'd say that having spoken to a lot of auditors and auditees that there is a WIDE misunderstanding of what culture is and isn't and in some sites a strongly held belief that if their audits say they're good, then their culture is good.  I call BS on that.  I'm old enough and savvy enough to know when I'm being misled / stage managed etc and even the most experienced auditors miss it sometimes.  External audits are poor at assessing your culture.  What an auditor should do is assess you are genuinely assessing where it is and trying to improve it as that's all they can do.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:00 PM

SQFI is now seeking comment for Edition 10 - https://www.sqfi.com...public-comments

This would be a good time and place for all commentor to state concerns.


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Posted 14 minutes ago

SQFI is now seeking comment for Edition 10 - https://www.sqfi.com...public-comments

This would be a good time and place for all commentor to state concerns.

 

I've just had a look, I don't see anything concerning in their proposals.  Do you?


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