Good afternoon, All, we are a food packaging producer in Melbourne, and we are preparing for our certification audit. Does anyone have a procedure or a risk assessment template to address/ consider climate change?
Regards
Thevan
Posted 19 May 2025 - 03:45 AM
Good afternoon, All, we are a food packaging producer in Melbourne, and we are preparing for our certification audit. Does anyone have a procedure or a risk assessment template to address/ consider climate change?
Regards
Thevan
Posted 19 May 2025 - 03:53 AM
We told the Auditor that we didn't believe in that Climate Change Mumbo Jumbo. He agreed and marked Does not apply.
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Glenn Oster.
Glenn Oster Consulting, LLC
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Posted 19 May 2025 - 06:23 AM
Hi Thevan,
I wonder how many conventions were needed for this amendment?
ISO 22000 Food safety management systems — Requirements for any organization in the food chain AMENDMENT 1: Climate action changes
4.1 Add the following sentence at the end of the subclause:
The organization shall determine whether climate change is a relevant issue.
4.2 Add the following note at the end of the subclause:
NOTE Relevant interested parties can have requirements related to climate change.
This is general advice from LRQA - Auditors will be focusing on several key questions:
Have you considered the impact of climate change on your organisation? If not, why?
Where climate change is considered to be relevant, how does it affect your management system, products, or services?
Are you aware of any statutory or regulatory requirements related to climate change that may affect your organisation?
Have you set specific objectives and planned mitigation activities to address climate change?
Have clients or other stakeholders expressed concerns about climate change in relation to your operations?
You could in your assessment consider possible risks that require mitigation measures, for example:
Impact on crop yields and quality - if applicable
Disruption of supply chains
Weather events, such as droughts, floods, and heat waves that may require extra resources such as emergency water sources, flood prevention measure or extra electric capacity
It all does seem to be a bit political, a business is far more likely to be at risk from supply chain disruption by Houthi’s blowing ships out of the water in the Red Sea or one of the various other conflicts going on in the world.
You could take Glenn’s tack but the last I heard, the Dinosaurs didn’t believe in climate change either:
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Kind regards,
Tony
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Posted 19 May 2025 - 06:51 AM
Thanks Tony!... love your humorous insight.
Regards
Thevan
Posted 19 May 2025 - 07:17 AM
I am completely distressed to see a scientist being a climate change denier but that aside...
In the UK we are now asked for Environment Agency visits to consider the impact of climate change on our local impact. The kind of thing they are looking at is those what used to be one in 100 year events like extreme rainfall which are now more common. What could that do to water treatment etc.
I cannot see any business who will not or has not already been impacted by climate change.
I always think it's good to use something like "people, product, premises" when thinking about change. So what might happen?
People:
Could you have different immigration patterns (arguably already being seen). This may change risks of things like Hep A as areas of the world where it's common could then become your fruit and vegetable pickers.
Change in illness distribution - this could occur in your supply chain or in your area. Leading to increased absence etc.
Product:
Availability of certain ingredients may become more difficult.
Crop failures are already becoming more frequent.
Both of the above could lead to increased incentives for food fraud.
Animal diseases may increase especially in countries where the weather could become warmer and wetter.
Premises:
Flooding is already more likely in the UK. You don't even have to have a factory in a low lying area. There was a famous case where a factory on a hill flooded because of sheer volume. What impact would that have?
Increased refrigeration need for obvious reasons. Some UK cooling plants have not been specified to run at temperatures hotter than 40oC as until recently that never happened.
Moving to more renewables could mean peaks in supply may not match peaks in demand. In the event of still winter days particularly (so no wind power) that may mean that government requires factories to reduce production. What is the "keep the lights on and food safe" electrical loading?
As countries decarbonise, there may need to be investment into local grids as the energy use of homes (heating that was perhaps gas), cars and the existing electrical need go through the same source.
All of the above should be assessed by your SLT and thought about with a food safety risk perspective but also a wider risk management. One route many businesses have gone down in the UK is to put in AD plants with CHP plants so any food waste (e.g. peel) is made into methane which is then burned on site efficiently to produce both electricity but hot water and / or steam as a by-product. Much better than putting in mains gas CHP plants for the environment but also means it reduces the demand on the grid which could become a future issue. I would certainly be investing in efficient refrigeration now.
Oh climate change deniers are so depressing. If for no other reason though, even if you aren't a believer, the people who have the most fuel sources in the world don't always have the best interests of countries at heart who believe in things like "human rights". Our dependence on fossil fuels has to change whether you believe in climate change being a thing (like the vast majority of scientists who study it) or not.
Edited by GMO, 19 May 2025 - 07:18 AM.
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Posted 19 May 2025 - 12:04 PM
I am completely distressed to see a scientist being a climate change denier but that aside...
In the UK we are now asked for Environment Agency visits to consider the impact of climate change on our local impact. The kind of thing they are looking at is those what used to be one in 100 year events like extreme rainfall which are now more common. What could that do to water treatment etc.
I cannot see any business who will not or has not already been impacted by climate change.
I always think it's good to use something like "people, product, premises" when thinking about change. So what might happen?
People:
Could you have different immigration patterns (arguably already being seen). This may change risks of things like Hep A as areas of the world where it's common could then become your fruit and vegetable pickers.
Change in illness distribution - this could occur in your supply chain or in your area. Leading to increased absence etc.
Product:
Availability of certain ingredients may become more difficult.
Crop failures are already becoming more frequent.
Both of the above could lead to increased incentives for food fraud.
Animal diseases may increase especially in countries where the weather could become warmer and wetter.
Premises:
Flooding is already more likely in the UK. You don't even have to have a factory in a low lying area. There was a famous case where a factory on a hill flooded because of sheer volume. What impact would that have?
Increased refrigeration need for obvious reasons. Some UK cooling plants have not been specified to run at temperatures hotter than 40oC as until recently that never happened.
Moving to more renewables could mean peaks in supply may not match peaks in demand. In the event of still winter days particularly (so no wind power) that may mean that government requires factories to reduce production. What is the "keep the lights on and food safe" electrical loading?
As countries decarbonise, there may need to be investment into local grids as the energy use of homes (heating that was perhaps gas), cars and the existing electrical need go through the same source.
All of the above should be assessed by your SLT and thought about with a food safety risk perspective but also a wider risk management. One route many businesses have gone down in the UK is to put in AD plants with CHP plants so any food waste (e.g. peel) is made into methane which is then burned on site efficiently to produce both electricity but hot water and / or steam as a by-product. Much better than putting in mains gas CHP plants for the environment but also means it reduces the demand on the grid which could become a future issue. I would certainly be investing in efficient refrigeration now.
Oh climate change deniers are so depressing. If for no other reason though, even if you aren't a believer, the people who have the most fuel sources in the world don't always have the best interests of countries at heart who believe in things like "human rights". Our dependence on fossil fuels has to change whether you believe in climate change being a thing (like the vast majority of scientists who study it) or not.
Better make it two then! Lol.
I don't deny it's changing, I just differ with the 'why', but that's moot for our discussion here.
We also told the auditor we don't see how it affects us and therefore were not going to take any action. However! He was fine with that, but said just saying so isn't enough, so I actually did get hit on this, and basically had to show at least that we discussed it and all agreed no action was needed, so if I remember correctly we put it on the minutes from a HACCP meeting.
So if you want to say you don't consider it a risk, at least show in your system somewhere that it was looked at by the HACCP team, management team, whatever. A risk analysis would certainly be easy to do, and I'm of the opinion that the more you have to show the auditor the better.
Posted 19 May 2025 - 10:39 PM
Hi Dale, greatly appreciate your response.
Kind Regards
Thevan
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