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Posted 11 June 2025 - 06:56 PM

Now I get it. So you were viewing ICE team as a mock crisis scenario.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 06:58 PM

Now I get it. So you were viewing ICE team as a mock crisis scenario.

Specifically, the impact to food safety a regulatory visit/inspection of that magnitude could have.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:26 PM

Now I get it. So you were viewing ICE team as a mock crisis scenario.

 

Sensible to do.  Possible ICE enforcement agents marching into your plant ignoring rules.  Potential for key staff loss even if it's in error, that's likely to cause disruption.  Even before that, you may have concern even from legal employees that they could be caught up in error and may choose to leave.  Then the added stresses of the situation that's going on impacts peoples performance etc.  So there is an acute crisis to do a simulation on but potentially while unintended, a slow burn of risk which is already happening.  While not the same and far less aggressively implemented, Brexit had a huge impact on UK food industry in terms of the quality and availability of staff.  


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 10:00 PM

Sensible to do.  Possible ICE enforcement agents marching into your plant ignoring rules.  Potential for key staff loss even if it's in error, that's likely to cause disruption.  ...

 

More broadly there are government agencies that will have the authority to enter a property for jurisdictional reasons and potentially disregard our well considered food safety protocols for more eminent threats, whether that be in search of physical material or people. Drugs get hidden in things to attempt to circumvent detection, junior cyber criminals need day jobs, etc.  Plenty of things can be the cause, and several agencies have enforcement powers.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:46 AM

More broadly there are government agencies that will have the authority to enter a property for jurisdictional reasons and potentially disregard our well considered food safety protocols for more eminent threats, whether that be in search of physical material or people. Drugs get hidden in things to attempt to circumvent detection, junior cyber criminals need day jobs, etc.  Plenty of things can be the cause, and several agencies have enforcement powers.

 

Yep but it's SUCH a different mindset US vs UK.  I have always had this in my procedures around access in emergencies.  The mindset though in the UK is "that's likely to be an ambulance if there was an accident or someone had a heart attack" etc.  The mindset in the US is very different on who those official agency staff might be employed by.

 

A few years back, I was at a site where an awful case happened with modern slavery.  That's been my closest link with talking to police about something like this (albeit they had the right to work in the UK, they were being abused by a criminal gang sadly).  No blue lights, no charging in, just informing us at the time (as the person had by that point left) and talking to us about our controls against modern slavery.  Not in an accusing way, more about whether we were doing everything we could.  

 

It must be a stressful experience planning for all of this.  


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Posted Today, 01:03 PM

 

 

It must be a stressful experience planning for all of this.  

Nah, not really. I don't overthink it. Just enough to a) do our best to make sure the food is still safe b) show an auditor we did all we could to make sure the food was safe. 

The first few times at the sugar bagging plant when the folks in the black SUV's showed up it was kind of 'exciting.' I have always been a bit heavy on 'righteous indignation,' especially if I think food I'm keeping safe is at risk. Was hard to sit there and keep my mouth shut as they stormed through and I was watching the cameras. I remember the plant manager saying to me "Tim, uhh..maybe don't even talk to them. You have a problem with authority, and they have a lot of authority." 


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