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[Ramadan Elsayyad]

hello for all this topic to any one who interested to see about ifs but if any one have any information about comparing between ifs and iso 22000 and iso 14000 please tell me if you can
thanks ramadan

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[Simon]

hello for all this topic to any one who interested to see about ifs but if any one have any information about comparing between ifs and iso 22000 and iso 14000 please tell me if you can
thanks ramadan

Hi Foxegy2,

ISO 22000 and IFS Documents

You need to put in your details to get at the documents, but I believe they are all free.

I'm not sure what you mean by trying to compare ISO 14000 (environmental standard) with ISO 22000 or IFS (food safety standards).

Regards,
Simon

[Charles.C]

Dear Simon,

Intriguing Link.
As you say, providing a little data allows access to all the files which do contain some thought provoking info although I didn't see a specific answer to foxegy2's query (wonder where foxegy1 is??)'

As an example I extracted this -

ISO 22000 Certification:
More or less demanding than BRC & IFS ?


ISO 22000: more demanding than BRC & IFS !
These fears – at least those affecting requirement levels –
can be easily dissipated. Several elements of the standard
or of its application protocol are in fact more demanding
for ISO 22000 certification compared with BRC or IFS:
􀀹 Certification audit in two stages ;
􀀹 Validation & deep audit of the PRPs ;
􀀹 HACCP: targeted additions to Codex Alimentarius ;
􀀹 HACCP team leader & members;
􀀹 Hazard analysis more advanced;
􀀹 Validation of hazard control measures ;
􀀹 Introduction & surveillance of operational PRPs ;
􀀹 Data analysis & continuous improvement;
􀀹 Internal & external communication.

The explanation is provided on the next page - I found it rather interesting though am not ISO22k active myself.
The English, as illustrated above, is sometimes a bit strange but mainly intelligible.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

hi simon
firstly thank you for replay me

i want compare in some point not all points

like the site and the relation between quality in treatments of the products in precooling and transportation
procedures of isolation and sterlizations of the tools and human procedures

iso14000 environmental yes i know that but iso 22000 food safety treated with the environment in hygein and rabesh treatments

if you have tell me

charles i am putting this doc. not to you but to any man want it you are very excellant i know that but the other not like you take it easy and free opinion where is democracy you do not listen about it

we all want one target this target called the information and alternate learning


thank you

[Simon]

Dear Foxegy2, I am struggling to understand your questions and am also disturbed by your reproachful comments to Charles. I recognise it is not easy, but you must try to be more clear with your questions; this will help to minimise frustration for all of us.

Thank you,
Simon

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

hi simon

sorry to you and charles

[Simon]

hi simon

sorry to you and charles

No need to apologise Foxy; this is a friendly place and we are all here to help each other and learn from one another. Please do not let this misunderstanding put you off from sharing your thoughts with us.

Regards,
Simon

[Charles.C]

Dear Ramadan,

Just to agree with Simon's comments.

Please continue to communicate.

Kind Rgds / Charles.C

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

hello charles h r u sorry again your replay make me more reliable with this forum i am learning many standerd from it and i am thanking you and simon for your free in replaying me (i am from egypt my name ramadan mohammed have asmall company for export to germany me and my oncle abdullah we have BRC certification and eurep gap and organic exporting to all europe) i have certification to check the farms and packing house in organic production and treatments of product by organic way
i have some ideas about BRC and Eurepgap and T,S.n sorry if my english none cleare to you but this all my learning in it if you have some assist about decision tree in HACCP tell me sorry for my asking to you but this free to you answer or not answer me this to you thanks to you

Best regards
Ramadan

[YongYM]

Dear foxegy2:

As far as I know, ISO 22000 is for food safety while ISO 14000 is for environmental safety.

For ISO 22k, the aim is to produce safe and hygienic food to the consumer while for ISO 14k, you need to assess any impact that you may generate to the environment (air, land, water, natural resources etc) as a result of your daily activity.

The clauses for ISO 14k is quite similar to ISO 9k but with extras e.g. emergency preparedness, legal requirements, 'hazard analysis' but for the environmental safety aspect etc.

I hope my simple explanation will help. For those consultant out there, please correct me if I am wrong. TQ.

Edited by YongYM, 08 March 2007 - 09:57 AM.

[Charles.C]

Dear Ramadan,

Nice to hear from you.

I am not routine ISO or IFS user but I think previous post is basic answer to yr first question. BRC, IFS are mainly directed to process situation as you probably know already and give minor attention to the environment (maybe wrongly?), ISO 14000 focuses on the environment. I have some time ago seen a free-to download example of quality manual for ISO14000 (quite long) which I might be able to locate if you are still interested ?

Regarding HACCP decision tree, are you looking for general references or for a specific product type or do you have a particular item within the procedure? I assume you must be quite experienced on this already if you have BRC certification?

Rgds / Charles.C

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

firstly thank you charles for best regards

i want the main ideas for this topic which how i am designing it and how putting the materials

thanks

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

dear young ym
thanks for replay me
this is good way from you to contact me you are very kindly

i will take you as my best friend

your talking very good

[Charles.C]

Dear Ramadan,

If you are looking for info. on applying HACCP Decision Trees, can try this –

http://www.inspectio...ch2sec47e.shtml

The details will always depend on the (your) process.

If I have misunderstood yr query or the content is not useful for you, pls revert.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

thank you very much charles

very usefull site

[Charles.C]

You’re very welcome.

I noted you were interested in HACCP as applied to organic systems.

The site below looks at the production of various “organic” items, eg milk, bread/wheat, cabbage, tomato, eggs, apples and red wine, gives flow charts and explains the appropriate CCPs. Detailed (very) technical text is available on the site but you will see there is a collection of 4-5 page “Leaflets” which summarise the general results for each case and can be downloaded which may also be interesting to you.

http://www.organicha...rganicHACCP.asp


Rgds / Charles.C

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

thank you charles very thanks

best regards

your friend
Ramadan mohamed

[Ramadan Elsayyad]

hello charles sorry for this period which i am in off

i want some helps

i want the variation between IFS&BRC in some notes please because i need it in some works

if you have any free link to IFS send it to me

thanks charles

best regards
RAMADAN

[crony]

Dear Simon,

This is Atif ahmed from karachi-pakistan, i need your help regarding ifs standard version 5. Can u plz e-mail me or give me any link for it.

Waiting for your prompt response,

Best Regards
Atif ahmed

[Simon]

Dear Simon,

This is Atif ahmed from karachi-pakistan, i need your help regarding ifs standard version 5. Can u plz e-mail me or give me any link for it.

Waiting for your prompt response,

Best Regards
Atif ahmed

Here you go:

Order form of the IFS Food, Version 5