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[Rosemary4]

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can give me a document or some pointers in what to ask in a HACCP supplier approval audit. We have undertaken a supplier audit in line with our procedure, but I'm running out of topics to carry out a HACCP audit on. All the questions I have thought of just seem to ask for the same details i.e. supplier slection, evaluation, prevention of contamination.

Any thoughts please?

[okido]

Take the BRC standard and you could made up a lot of questions.
Do a factory tour, follow a product from begin to end and talk to staf at the bottom of the piramid.
Ask why a form is not filled in, why there is loose equipment, a pile of rubble, broken tiles, are there specific issues with this product or production line and follow up on there comments. Most staff is reluctant to talk to you.
Once you start communicating you will get a good impression what is really behind the paperwork that the QA manager showed you at the office.

Remember to share good fortune with your friends, Okido

[Simon]

Rosemary a short time ago I posted a supplier audit document on the forums that may give you some ideas:

Supplier Audit Checklist

Regards,
Simon

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

If I understand the intention of this thread, the objective is to devise supplementary questions which will "catch out" the supplier. I feel this is a rather debatable methodology.

I typically evaluate premises based on the satisfactory achieval of the essential aspects such as presented by Codex. I then use a cumulative critical/major/minor system based on that. Frankly, IMO, many published examples are largely similar because they represent a good appraisal of the requirements by competent people. It is not that easy to well satisfy all the basic HACCP necessities IMO.

I admit that based on local experience I used to check regarding a few items which didn't appear in the normal routines but which I personally felt important and often showed up as defects but I didn't do this as a primary part of the inspection protocol. Generally, if factories handled the critical elements properly, the rest of the setup was usually equally satisafactory.

This is sort of OT but having worked on both sides of the fence, it is my feeling that the "unannounced visit" procedures as seeminly being currently promoted (and illustrated in the Tesco thread) will ultimately prove self-defeating and divisive in the attainance of good supplier/receiver relations.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Simon]

This is sort of OT but having worked on both sides of the fence, it is my feeling that the "unannounced visit" procedures as seeminly being currently promoted (and illustrated in the Tesco thread) will ultimately prove self-defeating and divisive in the attainance of good supplier/receiver relations.

I think the all powerful retailers motto is something "It's My Way or the Highway" - partnerships don't come into it "You are our partner if you do what we say - end of".

[Rosemarye]

Simon, thanks for the checklist, but I can't open it! Is there any other way of sending it i.e. directly to an email address?
Thanks

[Rosemarye]

Sorry Charles, on reading back my question I missed a relevant part out of it - that is the HACCP audit is to be performed internally with the purchasing lady (we are only a small company of 45). It is specific questions relating to prevention of contamination from the purchasing point. An internal supplier audit was done last year but not sure what value another would be.

Still short of topics for HACCP audits! So far have carried out:
Despatch & delivery
Contamination control in manufacturing
Contamination control in toolroom/toolmaking
Pallet management
Knife & blade audits
Glass & brittle plastics audits,
Monthly hygiene audits

We are a vacuum formed plastics manufacturing business for food and non food contact. I don't really want to audit the same topics (apart from the obvious ones), but vary them. Any incidents we have end in some sort of training exercise so HACCP tends to be at the forefront anyway.

Can anyone help with HACCP audit suggestions pleeeeeeeeeeease

[rosie]

Hi there

You would need to be checking that all supplies have been through your supplier approval procedure:

i.e. supplier self audit form on file for each supplier
food contact compliance documents on file where applicable
Proof of safe for food use (i.e. grease / silicone sprays)
Specification (signed) for each raw material
Migration certs (overall and specific) for plastic being used for food)

Hope this helps

Rosie

[Simon]

Simon, thanks for the checklist, but I can't open it! Is there any other way of sending it i.e. directly to an email address?
Thanks

I will be back on my other computer tomorrow so will try and reattach it - don't know what went wrong there.

Regards,
Simon

[Simon]

Simon, thanks for the checklist, but I can't open it! Is there any other way of sending it i.e. directly to an email address?
Thanks

Can you open this one Rosemarye?

 Supplier_Audit_Checklist.doc   198KB   6 downloads

[Rosemarye]

Yes, that does help. Many thanks