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[vonsigler]

I have recently generated a HACCP manual based on the Codex Alimentarius and the NACMCF standards. Both standards are straight forward and provide hygene guideance for the food industry. But when you mention codex alimentarius to some people OOOOOOOOOHHHH you have menationed a forbidden code that relates to some new world order nonsense. I have read the entire codex and find nothing that mentions eliminating the worlds population by removing certian food groups. What gives???

Edited by vonsigler, 01 November 2010 - 08:37 PM.

[Simon]

I have recently generated a HACCP manual based on the Codex Alimentarius and the NACMCF standards. Both standards are straight forward and provide hygene guideance for the food industry. But when you mention codex alimentarius to some people OOOOOOOOOHHHH you have menationed a forbidden code that relates to some new world order nonsense. I have read the entire codex and find nothing that mentions eliminating the worlds population by removing certian food groups. What gives???

Hi Vonsigler,

When I worked a lot on lean and continuous improvements I avoided using Japanese terms like Kaizen, Gemba, Jiodoka etc. when speaking with anyone except other lean technicians. As soon as laypeople hear acronyms and technobabble they switch off. and that is the exact opposite of what you want the to do. You are ok mentioning Codex Alimentarius here, but my advice is don't mention it at work or at home.

Regards,
Simon

[vonsigler]

Simon I agree with you. I have only used it in the industry when asking others what standard they base their HACCP programs on? I feel there is a lack on education with regard to this field out there in the real world. I have been told: The Codex Alimentarius was developed by NASA to implement their HACCP program for the the space program in the 1960's. The Codex Alimentarius commisson was developed after the fact as a branch of the World Health Organization to set up guidelines that involve world health. The Codex Alimentarius we use in our HACCP programs has nothing to do with this commision. Some how these two different applications of the title Codex Alimentarius have been linked together.

[FSSM]

Simon I agree with you. I have only used it in the industry when asking others what standard they base their HACCP programs on? I feel there is a lack on education with regard to this field out there in the real world. I have been told: The Codex Alimentarius was developed by NASA to implement their HACCP program for the the space program in the 1960's. The Codex Alimentarius commisson was developed after the fact as a branch of the World Health Organization to set up guidelines that involve world health. The Codex Alimentarius we use in our HACCP programs has nothing to do with this commision. Some how these two different applications of the title Codex Alimentarius have been linked together.

Hi,

I got stuck with part of the history of HACCP system development, some references I have found, http://www.foodsafet...d=3481&sub=sub1 , mentions the appearance of CAC/RCP -1 (1969) until 1993 or 1997, when it was harmonized with NACMCF. But presumibly the number 1969 should be the first publication of that document, confirmed in a document history on FAO webpage:
http://www.fao.org/d...9e/w6419e02.htm

Note that rev. 4 (2003) is missing in the information presented there.

Why some people doesn´t take into account the Recommended International Code of Practice, General Principles of Food Hygiene in HACCP history until 1990´s?

Regards,

FSSM

[Simon]

Hi,

I got stuck with part of the history of HACCP system development, some references I have found, http://www.foodsafet...d=3481&sub=sub1 , mentions the appearance of CAC/RCP -1 (1969) until 1993 or 1997, when it was harmonized with NACMCF. But presumibly the number 1969 should be the first publication of that document, confirmed in a document history on FAO webpage:
http://www.fao.org/d...9e/w6419e02.htm

Note that rev. 4 (2003) is missing in the information presented there.

Why some people doesn´t take into account the Recommended International Code of Practice, General Principles of Food Hygiene in HACCP history until 1990´s?

Regards,

FSSM

Hi FSSM, I knew HACCP had it's (roots?) in space exploration and was developed by Pillsbury. Your post prompted me to google and as happens most times I ended up at Wikipedia. Interesting refresher.

Regards,
Simon

[FSSM]

Hi FSSM, I knew HACCP had it's (roots?) in space exploration and was developed by Pillsbury. Your post prompted me to google and as happens most times I ended up at Wikipedia. Interesting refresher.

Regards,
Simon

Yes, that is part of the information I found, Pillsbury developed the system in late 50´s, Codex appeared in 1969, but some references mention it in the history until 1997.

FSSM

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

Bit

A few observations on the Wiki article –

The history section consists almost entirely of references to one article !

including pathogen limits (including E. coli, Salmonella, and Clostridium botulinum

Interesting. I wonder what the limits were ?

HACCP expanded in all realms of the food industry, going into meat, poultry, seafood, dairy, and has spread now from the farm to the fork

Perhaps the reverse is nearer the truth ?

ISO 22000 is the new standard bound to replace HACCP on issues related to food safety. Although several companies, especially the big ones, have either implemented or are on the point of implementing ISO 22000, there are many others which are rather timid and/or reluctant to implement it. The main reason behind that is the lack of information and the fear that the new standard is too demanding in terms of bureaucratic work, from abstract of case study.[21

(my underline)

I wonder as to the opinion of FSSC 22000.

Nonetheless Wiki is truly an amazing resource.

Rgds / Charles.C

[MKRMS]

Simon I agree with you. I have only used it in the industry when asking others what standard they base their HACCP programs on? I feel there is a lack on education with regard to this field out there in the real world. I have been told: The Codex Alimentarius was developed by NASA to implement their HACCP program for the the space program in the 1960's. The Codex Alimentarius commisson was developed after the fact as a branch of the World Health Organization to set up guidelines that involve world health. The Codex Alimentarius we use in our HACCP programs has nothing to do with this commision. Some how these two different applications of the title Codex Alimentarius have been linked together.

Just a bit of clarification on HACCP and the Codex Alimentarius/Codex Alimentarius Commission:

HACCP (initially 3 now 7 principles) was developed by Pillsbury and NASA to prevent food poisoning in outer space from the late 1950's. It was adopted by the US caning inductry (low acid prodcuts) to control C. botulinum in the 1970's and has since taken the food production world in storm. It is a legal requirement for food businesses in the EU since 1996/2006.

The Codex Alimentarius originated in Austria in the early 19th century. It is a book that contains rules and regulations for food production - particularly concerned with adulteration, ingredients and labelling. The concept of this book was taken as a basis for a world-wide food chain management organisation.

In 1963 the FAO/WHO began to develop a series of food standards that guide food producers worldwide under the name of Codex Alimentarius. The Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) develops these standards. Today more than 174 countries have an input on the work of the CAC, which since 1969 also publishes a HACCP standard, which is widely recognised as being authoritative.
The Austrian Food Code today is still called Codex Alimentarius Austriacus and is different from the standards of the CAC.

Codex Alimentarius Commission Website

Codex Alimentarius Commission Explanatory Booklet

Wikipedia: Codex Alimentarius Austriacus

Hope this helps to clear up misunderstandings.

Edited by MKRMS, 22 April 2011 - 11:23 AM.

[FSSM]

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Hope this helps to clear up misunderstandings.

Dear MKRMS:

Thanks for the links, interesting information.

Regards,

FSSM