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[sumita]

Hi All!!!

I'm in a process of designing a COP room for our plant but unable to gather complete information on what are the basic requirements of a COP room i.e. the basic equipments needed...drying facility..washing facility etc.

Can somebody please me for a start..

Regards
Sumita

[Simon]

Can someone help Sumita out with this query please.

[RMAV]

I am going through this very thing so I feel your pain! Indeed, what I am doing, however, may not be appropriate for your facility/situation.

Let's start with:

What is the product/nature of the product produced?
Wet cleaning or dry cleaning?
What is the typical ambient conditions of the facility? (e.g. temperature, relative humidity of the facility)
Do you have a dusty, dry, wet, or combination of these environment?
How far away will the room be from potentially exposed product?
What are your microbials of concern? (both quality and food safety)
Assuming cleaning with water, how much pressure do you intend to use?
Will doors/passage ways be open or closed during cleaning?
Will you have a controlled environment in the room itself, e.g., air handling units exhaust?

Answer as many as you can as best you can as a starting point to work through some of these issues.

[Charles.C]

Dear Sumita,

As per the previous post, it rather depends on what you are doing.

Here is a more pictorial look at the options -

 ecolab, cleaning and sanitising.pdf   4.63MB   127 downloads

Rgds / Charles.C

[RMAV]

Dear Sumita,

As per the previous post, it rather depends on what you are doing.

Here is a more pictorial look at the options -

 ecolab, cleaning and sanitising.pdf   4.63MB   127 downloads

Rgds / Charles.C

Tom Boufford (the document Charles attached) gives an excellent presentation on Sanitation if anyone has such an opportunity to hear him.

[Madam A. D-tor]

Dear all,

Can some one please explain to me, what a cleaning out of place room is?
I have never heard of it.
I have tried to google it, but there wasonly one hit, leading me back to this thread.

[RMAV]

Dear all,

Can some one please explain to me, what a cleaning out of place room is?
I have never heard of it.
I have tried to google it, but there wasonly one hit, leading me back to this thread.

COP or "Clean out-of-place" usually refers to disassembly of equipment for cleaning, or removing equipment from the production area for cleaning. A "COP Tank" at least around here (in the USA) refers to a water bath that is usually heated, agitated, with cleaning agents added to clean various items placed in it. A "clean out of place" room in this thread is referring to a dedicated cleaning room where you can remove equipment from the processing area (out-of-place) and clean it in the room.

CIP or "Clean in place" is the opposite, however, around here in the US when someone says "CIP" we're typically referring to an automated or semi-automated cleaning system or the activity of such a system. We usually do not refer to any manual cleaning as "CIP" even if it meets the basic definition.

Sorry if I've complicated the explanation with poor grammar, I have had very little sleep!

Regards,
RMAV

[Biss]

Dear Sumita,

As per the previous post, it rather depends on what you are doing.

Here is a more pictorial look at the options -

 ecolab, cleaning and sanitising.pdf   4.63MB   127 downloads

Rgds / Charles.C

thnaks for the attachment. inspired from the presentation, in our facility we want to implement a good technology which can replace our manual cleaning system, which consumes lot of water, labout, time and cleaning agent.

can anyone suggest good equipments for cleaning as our basic details as follows

product is highly viscus and sticky in nature processed in 5000 Liter vessels with pipelines, valves etc.

[Madam A. D-tor]

COP or "Clean out-of-place" usually refers to disassembly of equipment for cleaning, or removing equipment from the production area for cleaning. A "COP Tank" at least around here (in the USA) refers to a water bath that is usually heated, agitated, with cleaning agents added to clean various items placed in it. A "clean out of place" room in this thread is referring to a dedicated cleaning room where you can remove equipment from the processing area (out-of-place) and clean it in the room.

CIP or "Clean in place" is the opposite, however, around here in the US when someone says "CIP" we're typically referring to an automated or semi-automated cleaning system or the activity of such a system. We usually do not refer to any manual cleaning as "CIP" even if it meets the basic definition.

Dear RMAV,

Thanks for your explanation.
I knew the definition for CIP an indeed, here it is also only used for automatic or semi automatic cleaning of valves, pipelines, systems, etc.

COP-rooms are here only referred to as cleaning rooms and sometimes include a sterilisator for hand tools.