Excuse my Charles!! I will try to translate in English, here is my query (sorry for my english!!):
As the standard not defined exactly what we have to consider when we want to applied PPRop in our plant leading to the auditor (the people who are in charge to certified in ISO 22.000) to ask different things because there isn't a harmonized concept for it, I would like to know some examples off different companies, especially in dairies.
Thank you so much!! hope u understand my query!
Dear luru,
Thanks for the English. (I assume PPROp = OPRP). It’s a good question. I hope this post is equally understandable.
Do you have a particular question(s) in your (OPRP) experience where different auditors have not agreed between each other on the appropriate / acceptable response ?
I would guess that the 2 most common sources of discussion on this forum (for this subject) have been –
(1) What is the intended interpretation of OPRP for purposes of implementation ?
(2) What methods are acceptable to auditors to determine if a control measure is PRP, OPRP or
CCP ?
Personally, as an example, for OPRP/CCP selection, I have seen approximately 10-15 different decision trees / non-decision tree methods in 5 different languages. As far as I know, all these methods were acceptable to auditors !.
Unfortunately I think there are not yet many direct posts here regarding users experiences of auditors for the topic you have mentioned. I myself (other people here may disagree) get the feeling from various posts that most auditors currently don’t care too much regarding specific interpretations / methods providing that the auditee’s response is “logical” and “validatable” within the context of the 22000 standard (and the PAS220 document if FSSC 22000 is involved). This includes use of the traditional Codex tree even though some publications have stated that this tree is simply inappropriate for ISO 22000.
The Guidance document 22004 also offers some help, for example the suggestion that the final choice of OPRP/CCP is not ultimately very important provided that the result is validatable for satisfactorily achieving the desired Food Safety result.
Some time ago (end 2010), I surveyed available history/ literature on the general topic of OPRP, OPRP/CCP selection which may be of some interest to you –
http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__34239(some later material is posted in other threads here)
I hope that some specific responses to yr post will appear.
Rgds / Charles.C
