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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:45 AM

Am in the middle of the BRC V6 Audit.... auditor is down in production , so far so good, will post conclusions tomorrow evening when we are finished :unsure:


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:59 PM

Good luck :)


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:27 PM

Dear trubertq,

ditto previous.

Oysters for lunch ?? :smile:

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:07 PM

Good luck!


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:03 PM

Good luck, let us know outcome and comments


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:22 AM

auditor is down in production


Thanks for posting and Good luck. If the auditor is 'down in production' I suggest you get yourself down there pdq!
You don't want any of these: :surprise:

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:13 AM

Good luck with the audit - let us know the outcome


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:22 PM

Tis indeed a fine soft evening for hitting the auld photoshop.

Hope you knock them dead. You know what I mean from that statement.


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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:09 PM

Well, we kept our B grade, and considering that there were men with tools in that plant on Tuesday evening at 7:30 pm when I left, I think that's a result!

It is a tough audit, and we had a tough but ultimately fair auditor who explained the non-conformances as she went along.

Tony The reason I wasn't with her on the floor is because I am an external adviser so I don't answer questions as such the day of an audit i am there to facilitate with paperwork and get people lined up etc....

The outcomes are as follows:

1. Make sure your people are not 'customizing' their PPE, we got a minor for people having a knot tied in their mop caps.
2. Make sure your chemical containers are labelled and make sure someone checks them 5 minutes before the auditor goes on the floor ( minor)
3. Have someone sensible circulating outside to capture any straying high risk utensils that fall through the wormhole in spacetime that opens in production during audits along with the doors....
4. Be sure to do your traceability audit forwards AND backwards.... missed that completely. I had the Final product to Raw material done but not the Raw material to finished product.
5. Look at your risk assessments in detail especially for allergens, (too complicated a story for here, would need to sit with a bottle of chilled chablis for that one)
6. Be sure to record all your reviews, HACCP QM etc...... and this requires more than updating the revision number on the document.
7. Formal agreements with service providers, must be specific to the job they do, f.ex. the formal contract with the pest controller did not include reference to Food Safety expectations... so make sure you check those
8. Make sure you have specified in your product recall procedure that the certification body be notified within 3 days ( I had in a timely manner, an oversight on my behalf, a minor in the audit).
9. Have calculators used in production areas included on your glass/brittle register
10. Try not to have a fly infestation 2 days before the audit, and if you do make sure to have a non-conformance written up for it with a plan of action in place.
11. Alert the people who check vehicle cleanliness to also check for glass/brittle risks

It is a great relief to have it over and I intend never to have another audit like that again... next year everything will be tied up tighter than a drum.... hmmmmmm... I have a feeling I said that last year too.........


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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:47 PM

"and get people lined up etc...." Lined up against what, a wall?!?

Congrats on the result - first time against Version 6, can't be disappointed with that. If I may comment on some of the non-conformnces....

1. Make sure your people are not 'customizing' their PPE, we got a minor for people having a knot tied in their mop caps.
Makes my blood boil. I have a policy whereby I inform staff member that if they want to look like Tupac, I can have it arranged. Post his assassination, that is. I know this guy. It's up there with people spelling customising with a z in my book.


2. Make sure your chemical containers are labelled and make sure someone checks them 5 minutes before the auditor goes on the floor ( minor)
Does anyone know of a label for chemical bottles that will not disintegrate on the day of the audit? I still haven't found one.


3. Have someone sensible circulating outside to capture any straying high risk utensils that fall through the wormhole in spacetime that opens in production during audits along with the doors....
"I just had to borrow it for two minutes." Blood boiler.

4. Be sure to do your traceability audit forwards AND backwards.... missed that completely. I had the Final product to Raw material done but not the Raw material to finished product.
Mass balance. I had that on this year's audit. I knew about it, but couldn't be arsed doing it as it would have been an awful lot of bother.

5. Look at your risk assessments in detail especially for allergens, (too complicated a story for here, would need to sit with a bottle of chilled chablis for that one)
Found a delightful rose pinot grigio for 6.99 a bottle in Tesco today. Didn't even think you could make pinot grigio in rose.

6. Be sure to record all your reviews, HACCP QM etc...... and this requires more than updating the revision number on the document.
Could you expand on this one please?

7. Formal agreements with service providers, must be specific to the job they do, f.ex. the formal contract with the pest controller did not include reference to Food Safety expectations... so make sure you check those
A black hole of a non-conformance. I've spent a lot of time trying to specify contracts with service providers, but depending on the areas of expertise of the auditor, there will always be a non-conformance in there somewhere. Does your laundry company have a nut free policy, for example.

8. Make sure you have specified in your product recall procedure that the certification body be notified within 3 days ( I had in a timely manner, an oversight on my behalf, a minor in the audit).
I think every meat company in Ireland got a non-conformance for this in 2008/09 after the dioxin pork crisis. As if we didn't have enough on our plates at the time...

9. Have calculators used in production areas included on your glass/brittle register
If an auditor wants to find a non-conformance from a glass and hard plastics register, they will always find one. Or two. Or three.

10. Try not to have a fly infestation 2 days before the audit, and if you do make sure to have a non-conformance written up for it with a plan of action in place.
Ouch!

11. Alert the people who check vehicle cleanliness to also check for glass/brittle risks
New one for me. Will I ask my warehouse staff to also check the oil and water levels also perhaps? Are your raw materials or finished products at risk of glass contamination or is this across the board? How I do remember many the summer's evening from my youth when we would throw glass bottles into trailers of vegetables on their way to the factory. Good, clean fun.


If I was a customer of your company, I would only raise concerns on two points, 3 and 10 (and I presume said infestation wasn't in the high care area). A good corrective action for 3 might consist of a board on the wall where all high care specific utensils and tools can be stored. Draw the outline of the utensils or tools on the board with a marker where they are supposed to hang. This will allow for a quick visual check by the high care supervisor to ensure everything is in the right place at the right time (very handy for unannounced audits). You could add a tick box on a record sheet and assign responsibility to a nominated member of staff to ensure fewer compromises of the space time continuum.

Speaking of which, in the song Year 3000 by Busted, there is a line where it states that "your great, great, great grandaughter, is looking fine". Taking an average lifetime of 100 years (this takes advances in medical science into consideration) in conjunction with a woman's ability to reproduce up to the age of 70, your great, great, great granddaughter would be 718 years old by the year 3000. Now, whilst I agree that the fact that people lived underwater would cut down on certain types of sun related aging, I would have to argue strongly that your great, great, great granddaughter would not, in fact, be "lookin' fine". To sum up, I do not believe that any member of Busted did indeed, travel to the year 3000. Hope this helps.


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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:41 PM

Yes, Well done !

Does anyone know of a label for chemical bottles that will not disintegrate on the day of the audit? I still haven't found one.



Difficult for v.small containers but one approach is to use containers with handles + "tie-on" plastic encasable tags.

A last ditch temporary attempt is non-toxic, felt-tips but most are soluble of course. > Anxious times.

Have seen some compounded disasters around the labelling NC, eg red detergent stored with red food coloring. Double whammy. In current case I think a minor was possibly kind. Maybe to balance some of the other debatables.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:09 PM

No the fly infestation was not in the high risk area... surprisingly enough... it was at the door of the packaging store, around a bait point.

I am not arguing with any of the issues raised, they were there and she saw them , I am just posting to give a insight into our audit and the things that happen.

There were 17 in all I didn't post them all as some were just holes in the system or very site specific ( customer complaints for example and no figures available for 2012, another long story but it involves a computer and new software, and to be honest I have neither the energy or the inclination to discuss.... )


regarding the reviews, I have a good HACCP review document where I record changes to the process and the system, alas I haven't one for pre requisites, therefore when I reviewed the PRP I just changed the revision number, as there were no material changes to the document itself, she didn't accept that this proved that I had reviewed the document, despite the fact that all the PRPs had been identified and controls were in place. her point was that I hadn't reviewed it in conjunction with the HACCP plan. All; I have to do is add a prompter into the HACCP review to review the PRP at the same time.

The vehicular cleanliness one was a left fielder, she looked in a container and saw a light fitting that was broken with an exposed bulb, thinking about it now, I didn't know there were lights in a container...hmmmm

lemme see now , what have I left out....

one about a CCP document not recording the start and end of chilling time ( that's a lesson in good internal auditing, I am not asking the right questions)

Verification of actions on housekeeping audits not evident on the records... thats like pulling teeth but I have a plan to become a broken record....

Quality Objectives and targets not being monitored and reviewed quarterly... considering I wrote quality objective up 3 weeks ago I think we dodged a bullet there... I have been speaking about this since January, they may listen to me now but I am not holding my breath.

The movement of rework was not shown on any plan.... each month I asked about the site plans and read out the list of those required.... to no avail it would appear

Oh yea... and external packaging store had no bait points inside, which is fair enough, we have just signed the lease agreement however it should have been considered for pest control.

All in all there's nothing there that isn't easily rectified, and now we have a quality target and objective... reduce the amount of minor non-conformances in BRC audit by 50%! :thumbup:


Oh and Charles it was Crab claws for lunch.......


Edited by trubertq, 25 August 2012 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

Thanks for posting trubertq.
I read about your audit experiecne with interest.

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