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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:00 AM

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We are a ingredient manufacturer (not a final food manufacturer) and have been asked to test product recall procedures (Mock - test).
We should demonstrate the recall prcedure efficiency on 4-hours (initial findings) and 24-hours (full investigation).
Does anyone knows where these time limits come from; is there a legal requirment behind?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:37 AM

Hello

We are a ingredient manufacturer (not a final food manufacturer) and have been asked to test product recall procedures (Mock - test).
We should demonstrate the recall prcedure efficiency on 4-hours (initial findings) and 24-hours (full investigation).
Does anyone knows where these time limits come from; is there a legal requirment behind?

Regards
Heinz Peyer

Dear Heinz Peyer,

May be legislatory (Swiss no idea :smile: ) but usually not.

Are you testing to a specific retail FSMS standard (eg BRC, IFS)?. From memory, the times are not specified in most GFSI options but there are a lot of other standards in use. Might even be the customer's own standard.

Around 4 hours for a certain scenario is one of many varieties i hv seen. Never seen a 24hr add-on before though. Speed / thoroughness are usually the dominant criteria IMEX.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:25 AM

Hi,
I now work in food packaging so I do not have the FOOD BRC (V6) to hand but I am pretty sure the 4 hour limit is in there. A call to a colleague told me it is in clause 3.9.2. It was newly added to version 6. It was not in V 5.
I do not remember ever seeing the 24 hour one though.
We worked with one of the big retailers (UK based) and they were insisting on 4 hours long before the BRC ever did.
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Dear Heinz Peyer,

May be legislatory (Swiss no idea :smile: ) but usually not.

Are you testing to a specific retail FSMS standard (eg BRC, IFS)?. From memory, the times are not specified in most GFSI options but there are a lot of other standards in use. Might even be the customer's own standard.

Around 4 hours for a certain scenario is one of many varieties i hv seen. Never seen a 24hr add-on before though. Speed / thoroughness are usually the dominant criteria IMEX.

Rgds / Charles.C





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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

Hi Sharon,

Not expert on BRC6 however -
3.9.2 seems to be traceability, full traceability (whatever that means) required in 4 hrs.
3.11.3 relates to testing recall. Annual (minimum) test (presumably "mock recall") required. no time mentioned.
So maybe the quest continues. :smile:

It is also possible the OP includes some confusion over terminologies if USA was involved at all since "full traceability' is mentioned/overviewed by AIB with 24 hrs limit (due new plant rules). Other more demanding targets mentioned also (2hr) predictably different to BRC6.
Attached File  AIB traceability, mock recall terminologies-implementation - 8Recall.pdf   287.52KB   273 downloads
Attached File  AIB - TraceandRecall methods.pdf   110.97KB   257 downloads

PS - my experience UK retailers / mock recall similar to your time but can get complicated if shipments out of the country of origin involved - disturbing people watching the telly for a mock recall can generate some heat. :biggrin:

Rgds / Charles.C

As per related thread below, there are a range of opinions on the exact interpretation of traceability, mock recall, degree of overlap, etc. For current thread, the OP's actual requirements / standard, if any, remain unknown (BRC's expectations for MR are also rather opaque, eg "in a way that ensures their effective operation" :rolleyes: ).

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__48267


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