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[trubertq]

Stout is not on the list of 13, but I have read somewhere that because it uses malted barley there is gluten present. Can anyone clarify? 

 

[Slab]

Hi, trubertq;

 

Gluten intolerance is not an allergen.

I believe the main difference between gluten intolerance and a wheat allergen is the proteins (glycoprotein vs. globulin and albumin) and the reaction of anaphylaxis.  

[Setanta]

I am not sure how you are asking this question...is it for labeling purposes, would you like to drink a beer?

 

Barley has gluten.  So if you have Celiac disease, you may want to steer clear of it. 

(Celiac Disease, gluten intolerance, and wheat Allergies. Gluten is a protein in wheat (all kinds, including spelt, Kamut® khorasan, einkorn and farro/emmer), barley, rye and triticale (a rye/wheat hybrid) that is hard for some people to digest.)

 

If it clearly listed on the label from an allergen standpoint, I feel you should be OK.

 

Setanta

[SQFconsultant]

Might not be on the list of 13, however the UK made Heineken do a recall because of gluten/barley content and they declared it as an allergy alert here:

http://tna.europarch.../2010/mar/stout

[trubertq]

It's used in a product made by a client and has not been declared on the allergen list. Neither has it been put through the allergen risk assessment

 

That's why I am asking the question.....oh and I am also asking the question for my own information for future reference

[Slab]

Hi, trubertq;

 

What allergen list do you mean?  Internal or regulatory?  Have you referenced FSAI for any guidance?

https://www.fsai.ie/faq/allergens.html

 

I haven't been able to find anything about beer other than isinglass.

Actually I'm beginning to feel like a dinosaur to the allergen mania.  Garlic is now an allergen?  

[trubertq]

I mean the Internal allergen list Slab... and you are not alone regarding the allergen thing.

 

I have referenced everything I could and could not find a  definitive outcome. When did Garlic become an allergen?

[Charles.C]

Dear trubertq,

 

Garlic seems to be problematic, eg

 

http://en.wikipedia..../Garlic_allergy

but

http://www.hc-sc.gc....o/index-eng.php

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[Slab]

Charles has kindly linked to the article, and it would appear in some very rare cases of anaphylactic reaction has been observed.  

 

I'm still a bit confused as to gluten being listed as an allergen with beer.  However FSAI list the first allergen as;

 

 

• Cereals containing gluten and products thereof

"products thereof" beer?

 

I feel like I need a degree in law on top of other qualifications for food safety. 

[RuiM]

Stout is not on the list of 13, but I have read somewhere that because it uses malted barley there is gluten present. Can anyone clarify? 

 

trubertq,

 

As already someone said above, Barley and Malt are harmful to celiac sufferers. However, I don´t know if during the process of beer production, the amount of barley protein is reduced to levels that could be considered "still harmful"...

 

Sulfur dioxide is also other allergen that could be associated to beer. Usually is used like preservative or antioxidant. In beer, I think the main function is to protect from flavours modifications.

 

Rgds.

[moskito]

HI

 

Slab is right

Cereals containing gluten and products thereof -> beer is a product of ...

-> gluten might be still in the product

-> to be not covered by the law excemption is needed

 

from the legal point of view gluten is the target (-> to cover the intolerance see. Lactose) and not an allergen from wheat

 

Rgds

moskito

[fgjuadi]

This gave me a headache when I worked in a factory that processed barley, soy, and wheat and made gluten free claims. 

 

Malted Barley was a major ingredient in our finished product.  It has the protien that causes the wheat allergy reaction.

We tested all of our gluten free product before shipment for gluten. 

 

Sometimes our SOY would have the protien becuase it was grown in a field next to wheat (according to the supplier).  I don't know about the beer making process, but our internal process had a step which hydrolized the protein, making it undetectable thorough ELISA protein ananlysis.  We tried to push gluten free responsibility to the suppilers as much as possible and tested raw materials for it as well.

 

Just curious - did you test the malted barley or finished product to see if it had gluten in it? 

-MM

Edited by magenta_majors, 09 March 2014 - 01:57 PM.