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[latchaporn]

I have already been audit and got CAR about CCP at capping and sealing points. We set CL = no incomplete capping or sealing but auditors said CL should be measurable so, could anyone give me an idea what should I change CL to be a number that we can measure them. Thank you in advance.

[Charles.C]

I have already been audit and got CAR about CCP at capping and sealing points. We set CL = no incomplete capping or sealing but auditors said CL should be measurable so, could anyone give me an idea what should I change CL to be a number that we can measure them. Thank you in advance.

 

Dear latchaporn,

 

Could you give us an idea of the product / process ?

 

And Yes, CCP/CLs are usually quantitative.  Otherwise  > OPRP (if ISO 22000).

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[aesahaetr_eldest]

if you use PET Bottle you can use

- capping angle

- open torque

so you can use quantitative number

[latchaporn]

My products are coconut water for capping and coconut meat for sealing. Do I need to buy a torque tester? I use PET bottle for coconut water and vacuum sealing in pouch

 

Thank you all for helping

[Charles.C]

My products are coconut water for capping and coconut meat for sealing. Do I need to buy a torque tester? I use PET bottle for coconut water and vacuum sealing in pouch

 

Thank you all for helping

 

Could you give us an idea of the product / process ?

 

Sorry but I couldn't understand yr reply. Insufficient process detail.

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[latchaporn]

My product is coconut water filled in the PET bottle and capping the bottle is a one of my CCP 

another product is coconut meat filled in the pouch and sealing the pouch is my next CCP 

 

Best regards,

Bew

[Charles.C]

My product is coconut water filled in the PET bottle and capping the bottle is a one of my CCP 

another product is coconut meat filled in the pouch and sealing the pouch is my next CCP 

 

Best regards,

Bew

 

Dear latchaporn,

 

OK, thks,  that helps a bit.

 

For canning the answer would relate to minimum overlap specs, achieved vacua etc.

 

Bottles / pouches not my direct area but the answer to yr query sounds like basic textbook in principle, eg maybe as per post #2.

 

Hopefully someone in the business can answer shortly with some typical numbers / links (hint, hint !) although relevant data may  relate to the specific bottles / pouches in use. And, as per canning, i expect the appropriate tools will be necessary. i still have sad memories of one canning  factory measuring overlap statistics with a 12in.ruler.

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[latchaporn]

Really thx Charles for yr kindness. 

[Setanta]

I second what Denny said. You will need to verify the capping angle and measure sealed bottle torque.

 

Kind Regards,

Setanta

[latchaporn]

How to do a capping angle or bottle torque? For sealing, I have to do a seal strength so, anyone has any idea?

[Simon]

The normal test for seal strength on lidding is mechanical peel and burst (under vacuum).

There is machinery available, but it costs.

[aesahaetr_eldest]

for capping angle, you can use protactor by sampling after cooling,

but first you must set static torque in your filling machine, 

after that checking again capping angle

[latchaporn]

let me check that my filing machine has a static torque function or not ? and then what should i do next?

 

Best regards,

Bew

[aesahaetr_eldest]

what kind your machine type?

what kind your cap do you use? shortneck? twopiece or onepiece?

different cap will be different setting static torque