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[carine]

hi all, 

 

Our product is produced inside the machine. Is it a must to elaborate process step in process flow chart?  

[Charles.C]

hi all, 

 

Our product is produced inside the machine. Is it a must to elaborate process step in process flow chart?  

 

Dear carine,

 

It depends on the product, the process, and who is going to read the result (and for what aim) ?

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[carine]

the flow chart going to read by auditor (ISO22000:2005)

[Charles.C]

Dear Carine,

 

ice production ?

 

The minimum (haccp) requirement for the process flow chart is typically that it has to be "sufficiently" detailed for the auditor to understand how your risk assessment / hazard analysis relates to your process.

 

Codex comments -

 

4.  Construct flow diagram
The  flow  diagram  should  be  constructed  by  the  HACCP  team. The flow diagram should cover all steps in the operation for a  specific  product.  The  same  flow  diagram  may  be  used  for  a  number  of  products that  are  manufactured  using  similar  processing  steps.  When  applying  HACCP  to  a given operation, consideration should be given to steps preceding and following the specified operation.

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[cazyncymru]

Yes, even though the machine is producing the product, you need to demonstrate that there is an understanding on how it is made, and what risks are potentially there.

 

Be great if we didn't, think about all the bottling, changing, jar industries who wouldn't need a flow diagram; driers, chocolate enrobers etc etc

[mamad123]

hi

 

it has to be described to know where the hazard potentially occurs

[Taste Maker]

First, I would describe the product being made and it's intended use (old folks home, school or general). Create a flow diagram showing every step in the process from the farm to the fork. Now list (with the appropriate team members) all potential and inherent hazards associated with the said process. The process may be the same for a group of products. List them as either biological, chemical or physical in nature and number them like; C-001, C-002, B-001 etc. Now, find scientific information to prove or disprove the team's findings. Implement controls for the hazards and monitor the controls by answering who, what, when and how. Verify that the controls are effectively reducing the risk to an acceptable level with testing (micro) and documentation. Maintain records to evaluate trends. Last, reevaluate your program if the process changes or there is a failure. Good luck, Taste Maker

[carine]

ok, thanks everyone input. Btw, i have 2 products same process flow, just different by the packaging of size only, can i draft it at same process flow or separate? 

[Charles.C]

ok, thanks everyone input. Btw, i have 2 products same process flow, just different by the packaging of size only, can i draft it at same process flow or separate? 

 

Dear carine,

 

I deduce you mean same  input material / same process flow / same process conditions but produced in 2 packing sizes.

 

(Or did you mean 2 different input materials also, if so the logic below also applies IMEX for traditional haccp, ISO no experience [=?])

 

The option to use same flowchart for different items typically  requires an essentially same process flow path and equivalent  hazard analyses, ie  same PRPs/CCPs/OPRPs  for each equivalent process step covering input up to the end product ( including customer usage).

 

So if the production of the 2 items complies with preceding paragraph then yes, can use same flowchart.

 

(For non-ISO haccp, i have also used same input material with 2 slightly different flow paths by adding an additional "by-path" on one flow chart / one hazard analysis. Auditor had no criticism since meaning was clear and same final CCPs).

 

Rgds / Charles.C