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#1 Siobhan123

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:15 PM

Hey Everyone! 

 

Can anyone tell me or direct me to standard changing procedures ? We have had our BRC and told to change them then had a customer audit and told that the way we change it for BRC was wrong and then another customer audit and told that, that way was wrong and I'm about to explode :helpplease: . Currently it's: 

 

Boots

hairnet

sanitise hands 

coat 

gloves 

apron

protective sleeves

Sanitise hands

 

The last factory I was in your boots had to go on last but the BRC auditor told us to work our way up boots to hair net. 

 

Cheers All :)



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:18 PM

Question, what kind of boots? Are you referring to boot covers?



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:22 PM

no steel toe capped non slip wellingtons but shoe covers can be worn in the low risk areas but not in the High Risk areas.



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:30 PM

no steel toe capped non slip wellingtons but shoe covers can be worn in the low risk areas but not in the High Risk areas.

 

Just my 2 cents, but everywhere I have worked in the food industry has always had gloves be the last item that is put on (after a hand wash and sanitizer if used). Curious to know why gloves go on before apron and protective sleeves?

 

Did they give you any feedback on what order they believe it should be since they are saying it is incorrect?



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:40 PM

nope they just said it was wrong and gave us a non conformance for it, then when we asked why it was wrong and how should it be they never got back to us on that point so its very frustrating to say the least



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 05:34 PM

I am with Pet Bone....gloves are last after a wash and sanitation. 


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 05:54 PM

Hey Everyone! 

 

Can anyone tell me or direct me to standard changing procedures ? We have had our BRC and told to change them then had a customer audit and told that the way we change it for BRC was wrong and then another customer audit and told that, that way was wrong and I'm about to explode

HAHAHA sounds about right. One standard accepted Everywhere!!! riiiiiiiight

 

 

Boots

hairnet

sanitise hands

coat

gloves

apron

protective sleeves

Sanitise hands

 

I feel like I'm playing that game on Sesame Street

 

Assuming everything is done at once in the same room and the associate is walking in with clean hands, and taking into consideration cross contamination:

 

Hairnet

Beardnet (if applicable)

Coat

Boots

Wash/Rinse/Sanitize Hands

Apron

Protective sleeves

Gloves

 



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Posted 12 November 2014 - 07:56 PM

Dear Siobhan,

 

You omitted to mention whether area in question is high/low risk/high care.

 

From the BRC document F048 available free on their site (attached also on this forum [somewhere]) -
 

 

high risk -

 

apply clothing in a given order (e.g. hairnet first, then shoes, wash hands then put on protective overall)

wash hands during the changing procedure

 

high  care -

 

 apply clothing in a given order (e.g. hairnet first, then shoes, then overall).
wash hands during the changing procedure e.g. after handling shoes and before entering the production area.

 

 

For a Low risk scenario the BRC answer may be different, i forget.

 

Rgds / Charles.C


Kind Regards,

 

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:53 PM

See, me I'm as follows

Hairnets
Beard snoods
Remove boots
Cross over bench

Put on wellies
Wash hands
Put on coat
Over sleeves
Apron
Wash hands again
Gloves



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Edited by Simon, 12 November 2014 - 08:56 PM.
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Posted 12 November 2014 - 09:07 PM

Put your right foot in...put right foot out...put right food in and shake it all about.......


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

Dear Siobhan,

 

You omitted to mention whether area in question is high/low risk/high care.

 

Charles its  high risk so there is a low/high risk divide so the ops have to sit and swing across the bench dividing each side. The last customer who audited said there was a standard procedure and then acted like it was a big secret and wouldnt tell me what it was or where to find it  <_<



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 01:26 PM

Hi,

 

We follow much the same process as RG3 & CazynCymru (bad luck in the rugby btw): -

 

Hairnets
Beard snoods
Remove boots
Cross over bench

high care shoes
Wash hands
Put on coat
Over sleeves
[we have a boot scrubber with barrier that requires automatic hand sanitizer to open barrier to high care]
Gloves

(High Care production)

 

Cheers,

Tim



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 02:37 PM

Our order of dress is....

 

Shoe Covers

Hand washing

Hair / beard nets

Sanitize

Smock

Gloves

Sanitize

 

 



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 09:18 PM

Interesting topic, in our facility 85% of employees wear coveralls so that is where we must start, can not put boots through pant legs.  Boots usually follow.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 09:30 PM

Our order of dress is....

 

Shoe Covers

Hand washing

Hair / beard nets

Sanitize

Smock

Gloves

Sanitize

 

Dear tahlyav,

 

Thks for the input.

 

May I enquire as to  (a) risk level of production area involved, (b) if you are certified to BRC Food Standard ? Or ?

 

Rgds / Charles,C


Kind Regards,

 

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 09:55 PM

Dear tahlyav,

Thks for the input.

May I enquire as to (a) risk level of production area involved, (b) if you are certified to BRC Food Standard ? Or ?

Rgds / Charles,C



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 09:59 PM

We are a Co-packer of RTE foods, mainly meat and cheese products. Our products are mostly high care with a few shelf stable low risk products. We have been BRC certified since 2010.

-Tahlya



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 10:21 PM

Going back as far as the mid 1990's I recall being told by a customer to put the hairnet on first so that if anything was "dislodged" from the head when the hairnet was being put on, it could be covered by subsequent PPE.  I have followed this advice since.

 

I would add that the customer/auditor who "said there was a standard procedure and then acted like it was a big secret" needs to adopt a more collaborative attitude.



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 11:15 PM

:welcome: Sweeneyged,

 

 

I would add that the customer/auditor who "said there was a standard procedure and then acted like it was a big secret" needs to adopt a more collaborative attitude.

I agree 100%. It's shouldn't be about "Gotcha!" It should be about "Make you better". If the auditor can't reference a part of regulatory legislation or some part of a GFSI program or at least give you their view of a risk analysis, then chances are they don't even have clue what the correct answer is.



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 12:07 AM

:welcome:  :welcome:

 

I would add that the customer/auditor who "said there was a standard procedure and then acted like it was a big secret" needs to adopt a more collaborative attitude.

 

Could not agree more!

 

 

I agree 100%. It's shouldn't be about "Gotcha!" It should be about "Make you better". If the auditor can't reference a part of regulatory legislation or some part of a GFSI program or at least give you their view of a risk analysis, then chances are they don't even have clue what the correct answer is.

 

From your lips to God's ear.  You are so right and there are sooo many auditors who do have Gotcha mentality. 


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:59 AM

I was wondering if there any rule & regulation stated the correct order of dress up? Our order is as below:-

 

1. Rubber Boots

2. Hair Net

3. Face mask

4. Apron

5. Wash Hand

6. Sanitize



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:14 AM

As far as I am aware it's based on risk per facility. I have never come across a "right" way.



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 06:18 AM

I was wondering if there any rule & regulation stated the correct order of dress up? Our order is as below:-

 

1. Rubber Boots

2. Hair Net

3. Face mask

4. Apron

5. Wash Hand

6. Sanitize

 

Dear carine,

 

Standard ?? Production area Risk factor ??

 

Regardless, you can probably see from other posts that yr item 2 is often, but not invariably,  preferred earlier. And a reverse opinion for yr item No.1.

 

So far, you appear to be unique with respect to "face mask" (risk-based ?). I expect, based on hair-net logic, this would also be preferred earlier than number 3 by many people.

 

The "personal" hygiene logic of handling boots before directly applying a (hopefully clean)  face mask / hair net with no intermediate handwash step is difficult to understand for me. Seems more prioritized on "convenience" ?

 

You also appear to, so far also uniquely, not like gloves. Hopefully also risk-based ? ( Although, as per post 8, BRC do not seem to place much emphasis either [maybe discussed elsewhere in standard]).

 

Rgds / Charles.C


Kind Regards,

 

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 12:09 PM

BRC Grade A

 

I'm with Caz  :shades: 

Remove outdoor shoes

Hairnet

Swing over

Find boots ( get socks wet on wet floor)

put on boots with wet socks

Wash hands

Sleeves ( if required

apron if required

wash hands and sanitize

Gloves

sanitize gloves

enter the pleasure dome that is High Risk through the shark infested foot bath.....


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:31 PM

When the BRC switched from Issue 5 to Issue 6 we had a long discussion with our auditor about High Risk vs High Care. We were told boot changing upon entering a production room was not a must as long as we had mechanical boot scrubbers with verification through our Environmental program. I should also say we do not have a raw to cook plant, so our employees would be moving from enclosed product area to production room. 





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