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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:30 PM

These!   These fully detectable shoes covers (not just ones with a metal strip) exist! AND they're less expensive than the shoe covers we use now, that are totally not metal detectable and fall apart after being worn a few minutes and cause real concern because we use them on mezzanines. 

 

www.metal-detectable-products.com/health-safety-ppe/detectable-work-wear/fully-detectable-ppe

 

Does anyone know where to get them in the States?  I'm so down for this.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:34 PM

From their website:

 

Detectamet Ltd now has now appointed distributors for the Detectamet Brand of products in the following countries:

UK Poland New Zealand South Africa Ireland Netherlands Australia USA Italy Spain Portugal Turkey Denmark Mexico Canada Germany Sweden      

 

To find out where your local distributor is located or to send them an enquiry (stating the country you are located and the country you wish to source Detectamet products)


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:41 PM

Yeah, I'm just worried about distributors for over-seas stuff having stock when I need it, so it's easier to get a recommendation from some one who uses someone reliable than to get one from the manufacturer.  I know nelson-Jameson sells some of their stuff, but not these puppies. 

 

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I've had situations where we had blue and white shoe covers for a 24/7 factory to separate raw & finished product,   but the white shoe covers came from China, so if we needed a little more than average we were facing total chaos with the product not being stocked and not coming in for another few weeks.  Plus the docks are down for who knows how long...so if we switch, we have to go with someone high enough volume to ensure we'll have some if we need it


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:42 PM

At a previous company we used Unisource who is now Veritiv, if they are one of your suppliers they can get anything! 

 

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 01:16 AM

There seems to be a slight movement in Europe against the use of any type of shoe covers under the BRC 7 standard. Subtle, but worrying, particularly for factories with High Care areas. I can understand the reasoning. I, like you, have had experience of several companies providing shoe covers that disintegrate on contact with floors! However, the increased costs of having PPE for auditors, contractors and visitors is a significant pain! Consider the real risk of using shoe covers - if you find shoe covers are disintegrating to such an extent that you are relying on metal detection to reduce the risk, then perhaps you should be searching for a more robust shoe cover? Contrast these two conversations with an auditor; 

You: "Well, to be completely honest, we see that the fact that our shoe covers tend to shred when walking on walkways over production lines allied with the fact that we regularly sweep up the floor, complete with rat droppings and pieces of shoe covers, and lash them straight back onto our production lines, that we though it would be prudent to use metal detectable shoe covers in our production area. It's all in my HACCP programme!"

Auditor: "Erm, OK. How many j's are there in major again?"

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You: "What exactly would be the advantage of using metal detectable shoe covers? We use an Ethylene Vinyl Acetate rubber sole boot cover that not only complies to the highest standards available in both the pharma and medical device industries, but also complies to our strict health and safety procedures on our sometimes wet floor surfaces. What were you thinking raising such a nonsensical issue? Are you some kind of idiot?"

Auditor: "Yes, yes I am. I am an idiot. And I apologise for taking up your time. You are smarter than me, despite you earning about 60% of my annual salary, and carrying out a much more difficult job. Also, you are much more pretty than me." 

I appreciate that you will have to have some backbone, be as pretty as me and work for a poor wage to make scenario 2 to work, but I honestly think that it is the scenario you should follow. 



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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:47 AM

No, they need to be detectable so when you drop one full of droppings into a tank with 16k lbs of chocolate you can fish it out with a magnet clip tried to a string and go about your business instead of dumping it :lol2: .  Also useful for when employes toss them down the drain and maintenance has to snake it out. 

 

We have an in-line screen which would catch bits and is checked regularly; when we find foreign objects in it we have to put the tank on hold & destroy, plus downtime to scrape the tank, plus loss of melting time... In theory, these bits would be caught long before it ever got to the metal detector,  if not at the screen, they'd be clogged in our tempering meter or depositor. 

 

 

However, the increased costs of having PPE for auditors, contractors and visitors is a significant pain! Consider the real risk of using shoe covers - if you find shoe covers are disintegrating to such an extent that you are relying on metal detection to reduce the risk, then perhaps you should be searching for a more robust shoe cover? 

 

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We use an Ethylene Vinyl Acetate rubber sole boot cover that not only complies to the highest standards available in both the pharma and medical device industries, but also complies to our strict health and safety procedures on our sometimes wet floor surfaces. 

 

you earning about 60% of my annual salary

:roflmao:

 

60%? My pay is closer to 25% of what an auditor makes.  Where do you work?  Are they hiring?   If the words "pharma and medical device industries" come outta my mouth, it better be followed by "use this, but it's way more expensive, so food industry uses this" .   These are actually less expensive than our non-detectable shoe covers, so it's a cost saving exercise.  Unless I have to pay outrageous shipping because I can't find a big vendor. 

 

Costs for visitors and contractors aside - the costs for employees alone is insanely prohibitive for non-disposable shoe covers.  I worked in a flour mill that was exclusively mezzanines with teeth, and they'd shred, then get swept up through the chemical puddles and into the horse feed.  We demoed just about every shoe cover under the sun.  One time we got something akin to these sweet puppies - WILKURO-2T.jpg- color coded!  but with the chlorine and use they fell apart in a month.  Plus the control of making sure there were enough pairs for everyone on each shift, they weren't leaving the factory, keeping them on a regular cleaning schedule, getting employees to understand they have to share a pair twp two other disgusting humans,drying time, storage.  Maybe if you worked at a tiny plant with no chemicals?    When I worked there we gave visitors - I shit you not - image_90023.jpg


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:22 PM

I nearly had a heart attack when I read the topic title!

 

If ANY of my staff / visitors were in a position that an overshoe could fall in the product I would PERSONALLY kill them!!

 

But I do appreciate that there are industries where there are gantries and that the cost of willies / wellies! / protective shoes become prohibitive for visitors. I hate overshoes; seriously I think their dirt collectors of the worse kind. Bits of plastic comes off them (shudder that I find some in my butter!)

 

(Simon predictive text keeps changing my wellies to willies!!!)

 

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:24 PM

 

 

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Looks like a cod piece!! why would you give a visitor a cod piece??????? :giggle:

 

See its Simon's fault because of the willies!


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:36 PM

Where is Simons Willy?


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:38 PM

On a more serious note our last three audits by BRC have requested Boots as shoe covers are not admissible in high risk areas. 

 

I thought I'd better look this up before I got excoriated by the rest of ye... 

 

Section 4.8 Staff facilities  

Clause 4.8.4 refers to High care area, point #2: dedicated footwear, by exception shoe coverings shall be provided for visitors only to be worn in high care area

 

Clause 4.8.5 refers to High Risk area: point #2: dedicated footwear shall be provided to be worn in the high risk area. 

 

No mention of shoe covers , by exception or on a blue moon , or dress down Friday or any other day..... 

 

metal or detectable or not......


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:42 PM

Where is Simons Willy?

 

Some of us are not old enough to know this or are too scared to know.... :shutup:


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

I spent ages looking for I thought it was a game like where's Wally?


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 04:57 PM

 this is what it looks like on a shoe - I'll leave it to Simon to post what it would look like as a cod piece / where his genitalia would be placed. 

 

https://encrypted-tb...-Q9DTX&usqp=CAY

 

I can't speak to justifying these in any capacity for QA purposes - I believe they're to provide steel toe protection to employees with less than adequate uses but were employed as shoe covers because ??. 

 

 

I understand that shoe covers get gross, and they shouldn't be able to fall into your product, and that boots are better.   Boots are expensive, take up a ton of space, are difficult to control, and aren't something we could clean easily. 

At least with these, if something does fall into product, I'll know about it.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 05:05 PM

 this is what it looks like on a shoe - I'll leave it to Simon to post what it would look like as a cod piece / where his genitalia would be placed. 

 

https://encrypted-tb...-Q9DTX&usqp=CAY

 

 

I'm afraid to ask just what type and how much protection they offer to areas external to the wearer's person.  :shutup:

 

I may not want to know the answer. :eek_yello:

 

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 01:38 PM

I haven't worked somewhere where the retailer will allow overshoes for years! Tesco and M&S won't let you.

There is an initial outlay for visitors shoes but once they are in place they will last for a long, long time and all you have to do is wash them occasionally. Where I am at the moment we have approximately 400 people come in as agency between June and December for Christmas production so we have about a 1000 pairs of shoes in storage specifically for them. They are controlled by the agency who give them out and collect them in and put them to the laundry to be washed. Its always an outlay to maintain this but no overshoes crumbling and everyone has a pair of shoes. The best way to do it is get shoes which are clearly work shoes in a disgusting colour so no one wants to take them home, the bright yellow boots we had at my last place only ever made it out with a visitor and they had an added advantage of highlighting who the visitors were.



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 02:13 PM

Well I've just had a Tesco PIU and he got given a pair of overshoes and didn't complain! But then, we are not High Risk.

 

To be honest, I wouldn't want to wear a pair of "visitor" shoes if they'd been worn by anyone else! And I don't think there would be many auditors out their either who would, especially if their a popular shoe size!

 

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