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[jamesgibb]

Hello everyone,

following from Witch's post about a company who has failed their HACCP sstem but who have had an ISO9001:2000 system in place for several years I thought it made sense to ask the question in the Poll.

To my mind if your food safety system is failing then you can't meet your customer requirements "not stated by the customer, but necessary for specified or intended use" (clause 7.2.1b) as they are expecting the foodstuffs to be safe even if they don't ask.

Anyone got a view?

James

[Simon]

I think the result of this poll is a foregone conclusion James; it's a bit like asking the audience of 'who wants to be a millionaire':

Who won the World Cup in 1966?

A. England, B. Scotland, C. Ireland, D. Wales

I couldn't resist that one so close to the World Cup and all.

It's quite a while since I dusted off the riveting ISO 9001:2000, but yes a rubbish or non-existent HACCP programme or FSMS cannot meet customer requirements (stated or not) and further may not be meeting all regulatory and statutory requirements. Both big failures according to the law of ISO 9001:2000 and further possibly break the laws of the land.
I guess that's why we have ISO 22000.

By the way I voted Yes and A.

Regards,
Simon

[jamesgibb]

Who won the World Cup in 1966?

A. England, B. Scotland, C. Ireland, D. Wales

Simon,

There wasn't a Rugby world Cup in 1966 and you can't be asking about Football because only 1 of the options play Football

James

[Simon]

Simon,

There wasn't a Rugby world Cup in 1966 and you can't be asking about Football because only 1 of the options play Football

James

Some people are on the pitch; they think its all over...it is now!

Sorry back to the serious debate.

[jamesgibb]

Sorry back to the serious debate.

Quite right,

Can Witch tell us if the client had an issue raised against their ISO9001 system as a result of the food safety audit?

James

[Charles Chew]

James
I guess you should know what I voted for Sadly, a vote here is not going to change anything either and for the record, there are thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) ISO 9001 that contain such flaws and yet have been promptly certificated.

WCS (Malaysia) - the CB that I use very regularly does not audit ISO 9K System of a food based company if the food safety issues are not duly addressed. Thats what I call professional.

Perhaps there should be a poll to suggest whether ISO should suspend certification of such companies and get the CBs to bear their own cost of re-auditing their clients all over again.

There is nothing to further discuss on this matter at this forum - there is simply blatant abuse of ISO 9K all over the world. ISO has lost control over this one

[jamesgibb]

James


WCS (Malaysia) - the CB that I use very regularly does not audit ISO 9K System of a food based company if the food safety issues are not duly addressed. Thats what I call professional.

Charles

It's good to hear that some of us CB's are doing the job well ,

WCS are a member of the FCB (Federation of Certification Bodies) along with Global and several others, I'll pass on your compliments to them at the next meeting

James

[Charles Chew]

James,
You never know that one day we may be conducting business.

Regards
Charles