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[emilya76]

Hello,

I currently started work at a pasta making facility, (I only have experience with sauce so this is a little new to me).   They currently make ravioli, gnocci, perogies, etc.  This is all freshly made and then frozen for distribution, with cooking instructions on the labels.  Fillings for the pasta and the pasta are made concurrent and filled immediately then going directly into the freezer.  I noticed that they temp the ravioli fillings after the ingredients are blended.  The fillings do not contain meat or seafood and all eggs used are pasteurized.  However, they do not temp the dough.  When I asked for a reasoning, no one was quite sure it was just something they started doing years ago but don't remember why.  My question is do the fillings and the pasta need to be temperature monitored?  My thought would be to do a risk assessment to prove the products are made and put in the freezer in under 4 hours, they have never determined how long it take for the temperature of the product to drop in the freezer but we are monitoring that today.  Thanks! Sorry if this a common sense question, pasta is just not something I am familiar with.  

[SQFconsultant]

"My question is do the fillings and the pasta need to be temperature monitored?" 

 

Answer: YES

 

It would be interesting to watch the facial expressions of an Auditor as he/she asks --- and tell me again why you started doing that?

[emilya76]

Thank you! I was just as confused since they have had many third party audits and have never been asked this question.  

[Scampi]

i would assume they stopped temp checks on the dough because

 

too cold--can't work it

 

too warm--can't work it

 

just a thought

[emilya76]

They never stopped to begin with because they never started. The dough does need to be warmer to work with but I am not sure if this puts the product at risk.  It does have eggs but they are pasteurized.  

[Gerard H.]

Dear Emilya,

 

When you start monitoring the temperature, you need to be sure to the worst place (the highest temperature of the dough in the case of cooling down). Furthermore you can think about the use of several loggers, to see how it decreases during cooling.

 

Kind regards,

 

Gerard Heerkens

[emilya76]

Dear Emilya,

 

When you start monitoring the temperature, you need to be sure to the worst place (the highest temperature of the dough in the case of cooling down). Furthermore you can think about the use of several loggers, to see how it decreases during cooling.

 

Kind regards,

 

Gerard Heerkens

 

 

We do have data loggers and have monitored the temp in the temp in the 'worst case scenerio' I am just confused on if the dough actually needs to be monitored and what the hazards are.  Pasterurized eggs that are in the dough are considered less of a risk of but still should not be left out for more than 2 hours but then doing some research people actually leave fresh pasta out to dry for 3 to 4 hours at a time.  So i am just not sure if we should be monitoring for a safety risk if there is actually a risk at all.  

[Scampi]

Emily

 

This may help; CFIA guidance regarding pasta

 

http://www.inspectio...197?chap=0#s6c5

[Jaskaran Singh Saini]

Hello
Not required for hazard. But if you are working on quality improvements and variations in product reduced then you can monitor and control

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