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#1 Stephen Sturm

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Posted 21 January 2020 - 06:19 PM

I'm the Corporate Food Safety Specialist for a large flexible food packaging manufacturer. I'm having trouble finding a good decision tree to use for the new ISO 22000:2018 FSSC version 5 standard. Everything I see out there is predicated toward food manufacturing. 



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Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:13 AM

Hello, look out in the last apendix of this guideline:

 

https://www.fssc2200...n_Version-5.pdf

 

hope it helps!

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 09:29 AM

Hello, look out in the last apendix of this guideline:

 

https://www.fssc2200...n_Version-5.pdf

 

hope it helps!

best regards,

Leila

 

Hi Leila,

 

Well spotted. :thumbup:

 

Unfortunately, IMHO, the proposed "tree" is clumsy and  illogical with respect to the Standard in various places. Also contains several typos.

Also oriented to food although conceptually flexible.

 

@Stephen - can have a look at this post/surrounding thread  also oriented to food but I won't claim the methodology is "simple".

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...18/#entry138153

(Also see Post 24 in same thread.

 

PS - the basic problem is that the latest version of Standard contains more factors to evaluate than first one which was already complicated !!  In practice, auditors seem to accept a whole range of truncated decision trees, probably due to being equally confused/overwhelmed by the Standard's details.


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Posted 22 January 2020 - 12:57 PM

I agree, Charles, BUT, then, why has the FSSC22000 owners release such material if it is inconsistent with themselfs?

:helpplease:

 

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Posted 22 January 2020 - 04:38 PM

I agree, Charles, BUT, then, why has the FSSC22000 owners release such material if it is inconsistent with themselfs?

:helpplease:

 

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Hi Leila,

 

The "owners" outsourced ?  :smile:

 

I noticed -

The appendix to this document presents a decision tree (spread over two pages) that can be
used to conduct a hazard analysis within the framework of ISO 22000. Potential users should be
aware that this decision tree is a result of an interpretation and that other tools can be used.

 

 

A hint of a disclaimer ?

 

eg -

 

"No trespassing" signs alert passing individuals that they are near a private land boundary and also excuse the landowner of some liability if people visit uninvited and get injured.

 

PS - Just for Starters, the tree seems to be unaware of the concept behind  Prerequisite Programs ?.

(The design looks somewhat similar to the CocaCola Tree which was, afaik, developed more for "traditional"  haccp.  I mostly liked this effort  but it also contains a similarly questionable [IMO]  first line).


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Charles.C





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