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[zoelawton]

Hi everyone. 

 

Just a quick question. 

 

SITE A - We are an egg packing facility, BRC, BEIC, RSPCAA and OF&G. We have a good HACCP team. 

 

SITE B - We have another company, also an egg packing site, but only BEIC and RSPCAA. 

 

Nobody from SITE A visits SITE B.

 

Does somebody from SITE B have to be HACCP trained?

 

I am HACCP trained, i am expected to complete HACCP review and audit prep for SITE B, even though i have never visited the site. 

Concerned SITE A staff are being used for HACCP at SITE B without actually being physically involved. 

 

 

Hope this makes sense. 

 

 

[pHruit]

Doesn't sound like a strong position to me.
Who are the people on the HACCP team who contribute knowledge of the production process end of things?

How are e.g. flow diagrams verified?

Who is responsible for day-to-day oversight of the HACCP system on Site B, if no-one has any knowledge of HACCP?

All sounds very far from ideal to me.

 

In your position I'd be pushing for some of the Site B team to do level 2 (can do it online) and some internal training, so you have some actual representation from production, engineering etc, and for at least the team leader (you?) and possibly some extras from the Site A team to be able to visit the site almost as "consultants".

[zoelawton]

Doesn't sound like a strong position to me.
Who are the people on the HACCP team who contribute knowledge of the production process end of things?

How are e.g. flow diagrams verified?

Who is responsible for day-to-day oversight of the HACCP system on Site B, if no-one has any knowledge of HACCP?

All sounds very far from ideal to me.

 

In your position I'd be pushing for some of the Site B team to do level 2 (can do it online) and some internal training, so you have some actual representation from production, engineering etc, and for at least the team leader (you?) and possibly some extras from the Site A team to be able to visit the site almost as "consultants".

 

 

My thoughts exactly. Site A could visit as consultants, and i'm guessing this will have to be the case, do you think Level 2 is sufficient for the manager at site B?

[pHruit]

My thoughts exactly. Site A could visit as consultants, and i'm guessing this will have to be the case, do you think Level 2 is sufficient for the manager at site B?

I'd suggested L2 as it's a big improvement from where the site is at the moment, and can be accomplished very readily

As for whether it is sufficient, my view would be that context is a factor - certainly I know of sites that run e.g. night shifts where the supervision only holds L2, but it's perhaps going to depend on the risk and complexity of the operation. Again the situation will be a bit easier if you can show that Site A really does act effectively with QA oversight over the whole operation across both sites, so that might want to include e.g. internal auditing of Site B by staff from Site A.

[SQFconsultant]

HACCP trained folks needed at both.