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#1 lubadb

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Posted 13 April 2021 - 06:33 PM

I was inspired to make this post after seeing the K9-5ers page for Ben & Jerry's. https://www.benjerry...-us/our-k9-5ers I would love to have a culture like this at my food company but this is generally not allowed at GMP food manufacturing facilities. Any ideas on what policies and/or controls we would need to implement to allow for a bring-your-dog-to-the-office culture? Obviously dogs would not be allowed in the production area.



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Posted 13 April 2021 - 06:47 PM

Had the pleasure of developing an SQF program on-site at a company that produced pet food and restricted to the office area were 2 dogs, a small guy named Ralph and a large golden retriever.

 

They were a joy everyday, the golden names Josey would come in and nestle at my feet while I was working on the computer and Ralph would stop by each office to get petted.

 

As to protocols they both were licensed, had to have needed shots and were required to be bird mite, tick and flea free and were checked at the door before coming in each day.

 

They did not have anything written on this prior to my arrival, so we wrote up the entrance requirements and the restrictions as to where they could go - the office area in general.

 

Also written up was what happens if they should somehow get into production.

 

It's been 7 years since that one and they have never had an issue with an Auditor nor had any issue, they stay were they are supposed too and continue bringing joy to all.


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Posted 13 April 2021 - 07:25 PM

Hey Glenn, I like this part "were checked at the door before coming in each day" - just imagining what that check could be:)  



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 07:43 AM

We have dogs in the office everyday, always have. 

 

Auditors haven't mentioned anything about it but we do remove them from the area for some audits just to be safe. (we don't have a procedure or documentation in place for this)

 

I'm sure they are aware when they see dog bowls and bones dotted around the reception areas. 

 

I won't go into where these dogs have gotten before. 

 

I've even had my rabbit under my desk before. 



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:38 AM

Not sure how to write it but I believe you can write cats/dogs in your plan and have them be part of your pest control.

I feel a big issue with dogs especially in the front offices would be the hair/shedding.

 

I hope you do figure how to do it. Seeing a dog when having a bad day at work - I know that would lift my spirits in a second.



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:49 AM

I am going to be the one person to ruin the fun.   :spoton: BTW I love dogs and currently have a rescue Mastiff.

 

We specifically have a no-pets clause to our GMPs because it is just too close to go from our plant offices or break room to the production floor. What would we really do if Fido got out on the production floor? Ugh, and if someone got bit? Work Comp? Employee Insurance? 

 

We try to be respectful that some people have allergies to pets and while having your family pet at work might be calming for you, it may be a stressor for someone else. 

 

So just like jewelry, we say no.


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 12:00 PM

I agree with Setanta

 

Ben and Jerrys images are probably the head office, in a separate building altogether from the production facility

 

 

Sorry, no pets

 

Also, their food could potentially pose an allergen issue depending on the individual site

 

I don't let me cat up on my counters at home, I certainly wouldn't bring her to work


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 12:38 PM

You had to be fun haters Setanta and Scampi :roflmao:. I do agree though. We could never allow this either. The Ben & Jerry's photos have to be taken at a corporate office. I don't know too many manufacturing places with carpet.

 

Though I have always loved the meme where the person opens up the bottom drawer and a dog appears. 


Edited by kfromNE, 14 April 2021 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:12 PM

I don't really have anything to add to this one, except that I pictured having a dog to pet here with me in the morning as I listened to the latest fires to put out for the day.

I could probably go off my blood pressure pills..



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:27 PM

I can't lie, when you are on the verge of tears at work and then a dog is spinning in circles bringing you a toy carrot you can't help but smile!

Brings me back down to earth sometimes. 



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:05 PM

I can't lie, when you are on the verge of tears at work and then a dog is spinning in circles bringing you a toy carrot you can't help but smile!

Brings me back down to earth sometimes. 

 

 

I would NEVER argue with that.  I get it, but we are making food.  


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 05:05 PM

This is one of those topics that really exemplifies how bad our jobs can be at times.
I love my dog. He's well trained and, if told to do so, would happily sit in my office all day, well away from  the production and storage areas. The owner of the business has tried to persuade me to start bringing him to work. It's small team/site, no-one is allergic to dogs, and everyone thinks its a great idea for mine to become part of the office team. Everyone except me :(

The fur really does spread everywhere, and it sets a precedent that is difficult to actually manage - once its allowed, we're then a dog-friendly environment, and everyone's idea of well-trained is different. As Setanta noted, you only need a dog to get into the production area once for it to be a fairly expensive argument.



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 07:41 PM

This is one of those topics that really exemplifies how bad our jobs can be at times.
I love my dog. He's well trained and, if told to do so, would happily sit in my office all day, well away from  the production and storage areas. The owner of the business has tried to persuade me to start bringing him to work. It's small team/site, no-one is allergic to dogs, and everyone thinks its a great idea for mine to become part of the office team. Everyone except me :(

The fur really does spread everywhere, and it sets a precedent that is difficult to actually manage - once its allowed, we're then a dog-friendly environment, and everyone's idea of well-trained is different. As Setanta noted, you only need a dog to get into the production area once for it to be a fairly expensive argument.

 

I admire your self-discipline, pHruit. I agree with you and others it's a really bad idea to have dogs in any food manufacturing facility (hair, food, allergies, risk of entering production zones, liability, etc.) but I think if the owner of my business and all the staff asked me to bring my dog to work in my secure office, far away from production and storage, I would feel some Faustus level temptation I'm not sure I would have the strength to resist...  :unsure:



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Posted 16 April 2021 - 11:58 PM

Add me to the list of killjoy people on this one. One office I worked at (corporate office with no processing on site) allowed someone with a normally well-behaved dog to come in- and the dog urinated in the middle of the office because it had smelled the scent of another dog that had visited several months earlier.



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Posted 16 April 2021 - 11:59 PM

Add me to the list of killjoy people on this one. One office I worked at (corporate office with no processing on site) allowed someone with a normally well-behaved dog to come in- and the dog urinated in the middle of the office because it had smelled the scent of another dog that had visited several months earlier.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 12:58 PM

Add me to the list of killjoy people on this one. One office I worked at (corporate office with no processing on site) allowed someone with a normally well-behaved dog to come in- and the dog urinated in the middle of the office because it had smelled the scent of another dog that had visited several months earlier.

 

I will probably be working well into the age where this could be possible of ME. Maybe at 70 I'll risk analysis myself into a cushy corporate office gig so it's not a food hazard.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 03:48 PM

I can't believe no one has done this yet, but attached are pictures of: my cat, my parent's dog, and my brother's dog.

 

I think there is even less of an argument for cats in the office than there is for dogs.

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 05:05 PM

I love dogs.   My main man is even my member pic.  He does NOT belong in a food factory.

 

Honestly, I can't even believe this needed to be discussed.  Hard no.  That's why dogs are there when you get home, to make you feel better about your S***** day at the food factory.  (Side dog story:  I had a good buddy named Dan, and when I told him I was getting married he says "Bad idea man.   Put your girlfriend and your dog in the trunk of your car.   Come back in an hour and see which one is happy to see you..."   LOL)

And I guarantee the B&J pic isn't at a manufacturing facility.   I unfortunately can't post how I know, but that alone should help you to guess....  



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 05:17 PM

Going to ruin the fun here as well

 

IMO, pets belong home, with their owner. And that's it. I feel highly uncomfortable being around dogs. I don't like having their saliva, urine or fur around me. So I do not want them near me while I work. If you can keep them far, that's fine. But really they belong home and I still see them as a risk in a food manufacturer ONLY if the same people petting them don't set foot in the GMP areas.

 

Sorry for ruining y'alls fun :)


Edited by The Food Scientist, 19 April 2021 - 05:18 PM.

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