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#1 basicit

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Posted 12 May 2021 - 01:37 PM

Hello, new here, just to put my mind at ease and I'm not being daft. Hands in pockets to outside clothes a big no no? We wear white overcoats. Thanks.



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Posted 12 May 2021 - 02:27 PM

The true answer..."it depends" based on actual risk.  As such, conduct a risk assessment.



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Posted 12 May 2021 - 02:31 PM

While I agree with the answer above, I probably wouldn't do that.   I'd just throw it in the GMP's that they shouldn't, wash hands if you do.  Problem solved, easy peasy.



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Posted 12 May 2021 - 03:29 PM

While I agree with the answer above, I probably wouldn't do that.   I'd just throw it in the GMP's that they shouldn't, wash hands if you do.  Problem solved, easy peasy.

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Posted 12 May 2021 - 07:16 PM

I generally frown upon external pockets as it is, but if you've already got them on your garments then I'd echo post #3



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Posted 12 May 2021 - 07:24 PM

While I agree with the answer above, I probably wouldn't do that.   I'd just throw it in the GMP's that they shouldn't, wash hands if you do.  Problem solved, easy peasy.

 

Setting policy is very easy indeed; the difficulty lies in enforcement.  Problem hardly solved with a written policy especially if it is an employee behavioral change.

 

As such, one needs to understand the true risk and assess as such.  If there isn't a risk then what's the point?  For example, if employees do not touch product, materials, or food contact surfaces does it make sense to have this policy in place?



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Posted 12 May 2021 - 10:00 PM

I just say "Success is like a ladder it cannot be climbed with your hands in your pockets!" Gets them to laugh but realize you are always watching. You can risk assess your plant to the ground, sometimes plain old mentoring leads to the best outcomes.



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Posted 13 May 2021 - 03:09 PM

I just say "Success is like a ladder it cannot be climbed with your hands in your pockets!" Gets them to laugh but realize you are always watching. You can risk assess your plant to the ground, sometimes plain old mentoring leads to the best outcomes.

 

Love that saying. 

 

its a poultry factory and makes me feel uneasy. 



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Posted 13 May 2021 - 03:21 PM

I just say "Success is like a ladder it cannot be climbed with your hands in your pockets!" Gets them to laugh but realize you are always watching. You can risk assess your plant to the ground, sometimes plain old mentoring leads to the best outcomes.

 

While true on risk assessment this risk assessment should be pretty straight-forward and easy to complete.  Additionally, not everyone has the time to mentor and train up each individual person on everything.  I use risk assessments to see where resources get the best bang for the buck.

 

Someone with their hands in their pockets in our process if of little consequence as there is zero hand contact with the product and very little with product contact surfaces.  I'd rather focus efforts and resources around proper handwashing.  But hey...that's me.

 

The beauty for most of us is we can choose what we want to do and how to handle our policies and programs.



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Posted 13 May 2021 - 04:12 PM

Long history in poultry--------and NOPE nadda, zip zero

 

If you have a had time with compliance on this one, consider framing it as keeping THEM safe

 

More poultry workers (for obvs reasons) get campy than any other category  Never mind the rates of salmonella

 

Work together with your H&S department---reinforced by using your companies disciplinary program.  I always train hand hygiene from an employee health standpoint----lots of folks just cannot follow rules when the directly affect SOMEONE ELSE-----make it personnel, suddenly they care

 

"Another pathogen frequently responsible for foodborne illness is Campylobacter [14]. In the United States, Campylobacter is responsible for an estimated 1.5 million illnesses each year [15]. Globally, Campylobacter is the leading cause of bacterial gastroenteritis with around 96 million cases each year [16,17]."  https://www.mdpi.com...158/9/6/776/pdf

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5657664/


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Posted 25 May 2021 - 01:42 PM

Long history in poultry--------and NOPE nadda, zip zero

 

If you have a had time with compliance on this one, consider framing it as keeping THEM safe

 

More poultry workers (for obvs reasons) get campy than any other category  Never mind the rates of salmonella

 

Work together with your H&S department---reinforced by using your companies disciplinary program.  I always train hand hygiene from an employee health standpoint----lots of folks just cannot follow rules when the directly affect SOMEONE ELSE-----make it personnel, suddenly they care

 

"Another pathogen frequently responsible for foodborne illness is Campylobacter [14]. In the United States, Campylobacter is responsible for an estimated 1.5 million illnesses each year [15]. Globally, Campylobacter is the leading cause of bacterial gastroenteritis with around 96 million cases each year [16,17]."  https://www.mdpi.com...158/9/6/776/pdf

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5657664/

I was also thinking, as exercise in personal perseverance, I would not stick my hands in my pockets after handling raw poultry!   Lol....

We make chicken breaders and one of my coworkers always tells me she's going to "kick me in the spicy poultry".   I still don't know what that means....



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Posted 25 May 2021 - 01:56 PM

We make chicken breaders and one of my coworkers always tells me she's going to "kick me in the spicy poultry".   I still don't know what that means....

 

LOL, I'm going to use that line!


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