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[Sarahb3339]

Hello, 

 

We are SQF certified facility.  We are currently using a cleaining and sanitizing agent called Sani-T.  It was sugguested by one of our machine suppliers that we do not use this on a piece of equipment and that we rather use an alcohol based cleaning agent.  Is there anything per the FDA or SQF saying that we cannot do this for food contact surfaces?

[Scampi]

No

 

BUT, you should be using what the manufacturer (not the distributor) recommends

[Charles.C]

Hello, 

 

We are SQF certified facility.  We are currently using a cleaining and sanitizing agent called Sani-T.  It was sugguested by one of our machine suppliers that we do not use this on a piece of equipment and that we rather use an alcohol based cleaning agent.  Is there anything per the FDA or SQF saying that we cannot do this for food contact surfaces?

Was there a reason for the suggestion ? eg area sensitive to water.

[Sarahb3339]

Our product is very corrosive on the machinery.  Causes rust easily.  

[Sarahb3339]

The company is suggesting we use an acohol and water mix for a cleaning solution.  However, I found the below information and I wanted to ensure that I was properly understanding it.  Alcohol based cleaniers require an "intervening step".  Does this mean after we use it for cleaning and sanitizing that we need to rinse it off with water? Also, if we use alcohol /water , is there a ratio that is required by fda for sanitation?

Approved Sanitizers

• Chlorine Materials
• Hydrogen Peroxide
• Ozone
• Peracetic acid/peroxyacetic acid
• Phosphoric acid
• Potassium hydroxide
• Sodium hydroxide

Approved Sanitizers (Requires intervening step to ensure zero contamination

• Isopropyl alcohol
• Acetic acid
• Ethyl alcohol
• Citric products/limonene
• Potassium permanganate
• Sulfuric acid
• Vinegar
• Quaternary ammonia

[kingstudruler1]

will ecolab dry sanduo or a product like Alpet D2 work?     I use alpet in dry operations currently.    I know others that use Drysan Duo and like it.       

 

 

Be prepared for the sticker shock...….    

[Sarahb3339]

Wow, that is expensive!  So apparently because there is a product out there that is an alcohol based sanitizer it should be ok per the FDA and SQF?  I was finding that for food contact cleaning that it was required to only use the following:

• Hypochlorites
• Chlorine Dioxide
• Iodophors
• Peroxyacetic Acid (PAA)
• Quaternary Ammonium (quats)

[kingstudruler1]

 

Wow, that is expensive!  So apparently because there is a product out there that is an alcohol based sanitizer it should be ok per the FDA and SQF?  I was finding that for food contact cleaning that it was required to only use the following:

• Hypochlorites
• Chlorine Dioxide
• Iodophors
• Peroxyacetic Acid (PAA)
• Quaternary Ammonium (quats)

 

Yes both of these products are approved for food use.   there may be others that make a similar product.    The manufacture/distributer  should be able to supply you with any needed documentation stating its suitability / approval.    You will have no issues with anyone accepting them.   they are used all the time on dry equipment / processes where the addition of water is "bad".   

 

alcohol is listed in your post above as needing a needing a intervening step.   I believe they will stating that the first application is a cleaner and the second application is a sanitizer.   you would not rinse them off.  as I stated they are used in areas where water is highly undesireable.  I would review the label(s) for detailed instructions.   

 

I have seen people make there own by diluting like you stated earlier.   I would not suggest that.   You could run into issues with proving concentration and legislative approval.  

 

they may not be the best solution (cost and safety).    with out pretty detailed knowledge of your product and equipment its hard to recommend.   I find it bizarre that san-t (a quat I believe) is not compatable with the food equipment.    Something doesn't smell quite right.   alcohol is usually used to avoid water, not because the equipment cant handle any other cleaning options.   

[Sarahb3339]

Our main ingredient that we run is highly corrosive once mixed with water, and it was adised that a chlorine based sanitizer was causing our equipment to corrode and rust quicker.  So they advised on using an alcohol based cleaner OR  sanitizer.  Basically , they said that other customers just mixed alcohol and water and was using this.  I am very technical about cleaning and sanitizing and Im used to only using products that come with an sds and say " food contact".  This idea seems like it would not hold up in audits.  

[beautiophile]

That sounds like pitting corrosion, which is a serious concern in marine industries.

[Charles.C]

One solution might simply be to ask EcoLab for help if you cannot ask the machine supplier. It's their business.

[Sarahb3339]

The machine supplier is saying use alcohol and water.  There has got to be limits on that though Id think.  What ratio? etc.  I thought we were only supposed to use materials with SDS's. Making our own solution sounds to...easy almost. 

[SQFconsultant]

Manufacturer or rep should supply a cleaning sop.

[kingstudruler1]

The machine supplier is saying use alcohol and water.  There has got to be limits on that though Id think.  What ratio? etc.  I thought we were only supposed to use materials with SDS's. Making our own solution sounds to...easy almost. 

 

I would ask they exactly what are you suppose to use.    

 

The problem with mixing alcohol on your own is not the SDS (you would have that for the alcohol).   The bulk alcohol supplier would not have their product certified or approved by someone as a food contact cleaner / sanitizer.   They would also not provide a label / mix instructions.   it would also be difficult to verify concentration.  

 

Alpet (and others)  are not expensive because they use special IPA.   Its expensive because they have taken time to get their product EPA, NSF approved for use in food plants (and elsewhere) and they have taken care of the dilution for you.    (and alcohol is more expensive than quats, NaClO, etc)

 

11.2.5.2 Detergents and sanitizers shall be suitable for use in a food manufacturing environment, labeled according to regulatory requirements, and purchased in accordance with applicable legislation. The organization shall ensure: i. The site maintains a list of chemicals approved for use; ii. An inventory of all purchased and used chemicals is maintained; iii. Detergents and sanitizers are stored as outlined in element 11.6.4; iv. Safety Data Sheets (SDS) are provided for all detergents and sanitizers purchased; and v. Only trained staff handle sanitizers and detergents. 11.2.5.3 Detergents and sanitizers that have been mixed for use shall be correctly mixed according to the manufacturers’ instructions, stored in containers that are suitable for use, and clearly identified. Mix concentrations shall be verified and records maintained.