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[AngelaMiller]

Our employees are required to wear disposable gloves when working on the line and with product; there are times that they are ungloved and working on equipment.  Is it acceptable to swab an employees hands when ungloved knowing the count will more then likely be high?  Our expectations would be that after they complete their ungloved activities to wash, apply disposable gear (sleeves, apron and gloves) and dip hands in sanitizer before working back on the line.  So, would swabbing ungloved employee be unfair?

[kfromNE]

Why are you swabbing their hands in the first place? Have you had issues in the past?

Are the employees touching food contact surfaces on the equipment.

[AngelaMiller]

Why are you swabbing their hands in the first place? Have you had issues in the past?

Are the employees touching food contact surfaces on the equipment.

Thank you for a quick reply.  Our employees are in fact working on food contact surfaces and product.  The Team Leads may have to be ungloved for example when threading film (it's a texture thing).  Would we expect them to be swabbed as is when working on the equipment knowing that it would probably create a high count or would you have that employee go back to how they would be represented on the line by washing their hands, dressing out and dipping hands in sanitizer prior to swabbing?

[Charles.C]

Thank you for a quick reply.  Our employees are in fact working on food contact surfaces and product.  The Team Leads may have to be ungloved for example when threading film (it's a texture thing).  Would we expect them to be swabbed as is when working on the equipment knowing that it would probably create a high count or would you have that employee go back to how they would be represented on the line by washing their hands, dressing out and dipping hands in sanitizer prior to swabbing?

Hi Angela,

 

It may relate to what the workers are actually doing, eg handling RTE material ?.(also can relate to measured parameters).

 

IMEX the most common hand swabbing activity is implemented just prior to entering production area so evaluates the effectiveness of the handwashing stage. An advantage is that this represents a relatively defined location/activity so that comparisons are facilitated (although some texts regard this test as  pointless due the likelihood of rapid, subsequent, re-contamination).

I have less frequently seen specific  in-processing swab Standards discussed presumably due to many variables potentially involved. In your case I suggest that both ungloved and gloved hands represent contamination possibilities unless a risk assessment/data points otherwise.

[Agnes_Lus]

Hi Angela,

 

The hand swab debate whether to do it or not is ongoing. Campden BRI at some point states that hand swabbing is pointless except for the behavioural response it creates amongst staff ( I better wash my hands because I might get checked). It largely depends on the risk assessment of your process (and any external requirements you may have).

As Charles said, one of the practices is to swab staff when they enter the food handling area, but I have also seen hand swabbing done in the middle of the production because that's where the worst case scenario is for ready to eat foods in particular.

 

One thing that I picked up from your initial post is that employees are required to wash and re-sanitise their hands after working without gloves and before returning back to handling the product. This is fine, but do you also require them to wash their hands when they remove gloves to carry out their ungloved work?

If yes, then whilst they are conducting the work without gloves they are contaminating the production environment as microflora on their hands multiplies very fast during the time the operatives are wearing gloves. It is a moist and warm environment with source of food (such as dead skin cells).

[Scampi]

I would suggest that there are some process improvements that could be made that would bring much more value not only from a food safety perspective but also from efficiencies

 

If you're that concerned about the cleanliness of hands---perhaps you need a dedicated employee per shift that ONLY handles non food contact materials

[Brothbro]

Thank you for a quick reply.  Our employees are in fact working on food contact surfaces and product.  The Team Leads may have to be ungloved for example when threading film (it's a texture thing).  Would we expect them to be swabbed as is when working on the equipment knowing that it would probably create a high count or would you have that employee go back to how they would be represented on the line by washing their hands, dressing out and dipping hands in sanitizer prior to swabbing?

 

Can the film really only be threaded while ungloved? I've gotten into some discussions with staff in the past about changing operational norms...with enough pushing more than half the time no one has actually tried to do the process a different way. Perhaps with a certain brand of glove that fits well, the teams indeed could thread the film ungloved. Does the manufacturer of the equipment share your team's stance that the film must be threaded ungloved?

[Scampi]

Can the film really only be threaded while ungloved? I've gotten into some discussions with staff in the past about changing operational norms...with enough pushing more than half the time no one has actually tried to do the process a different way. Perhaps with a certain brand of glove that fits well, the teams indeed could thread the film ungloved. Does the manufacturer of the equipment share your team's stance that the film must be threaded ungloved?

 

 

Who handles the dirty/dusty outer wrap of the film?   That person should not be gloved---from an ops standpoint it's probably the same person threading the film

[Brothbro]

Who handles the dirty/dusty outer wrap of the film?   That person should not be gloved---from an ops standpoint it's probably the same person threading the film

 

Hmm yes you're right, I did not consider the wrapping on the film. Perhaps washing/gloving up then once the film is removed from packaging? I think I'm getting too far in the weeds here, without knowing the details of the OP's process it will be hard to suggest specific improvements...

[G M]

Is the film not a product contact surface?  How is it acceptable to handle it without gloves, or the machine surfaces that contact it? Are all of these contact surfaces being touched with bare hands also being sanitized before operation?

 

 

To the original question, what is the point of the hand-swabbing?  What do you claim this is informative of?  You mention "unfair", which implies the results are not anonymized and may be used as justification for disciplinary action.

[AJL]

OK guys - I don't like hand swabbing. I don't want to do it. Throw me ALL your good reasons and evidence why it is the dumbest thing ever heard of. Thanks :D

[Tony-C]

Hi AJL,

 

There is a place for it with manually handled RTE perishable foods.

 

The spread of germs from the hands of food workers to food is a common cause of foodborne illness outbreaks in restaurants. It accounts for nine of ten outbreaks in which food was contaminated by food workers.

 

Bacterial contamination of the hands of food handlers as indicator of hand washing efficacy in some convenient food industries in South Africa:

Hands of ready-to-eat food service employees have been shown to be vectors in the spread of foodborne disease, mainly because of poor personal hygiene and accounting for approximately 97% of food borne illnesses in food service establishments and homes.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tony

 

[MOHAMMED ZAMEERUDDIN]

Hand swabbing is essential for those workers who are making the product batches, filling the product manually, handling the primary food packaging material, weighing the product ingredients etc. In brief, hand swabbing of food handlers who are coming in direct contact with food or processing machines and utensils is a must. Each food handlers swab test is commercially not feasible so opt for random swab test.

[AJL]

Agree with you Tony, that in perishable foods it can be an issue.
However on a factory with RTE (not perishable) where workers go through a sanitation station.... ?
Mostly enclosed product, only touching (outside) of the packaging when filling machines.
If direct contact with the product then gloves are used.
I am looking for some anti-swabbing people here to back me up.
Note workers are also health screened? Swabs do not pick up virus? All of these points and more guys. Hit me with your ANTI swabbing arguments please.