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Posted 01 November 2022 - 09:52 PM

Hello, food safety peeps,

 

i joined a company (2 months) with a captive shoe program. we wear covers over everyday shoes.

 

people are constantly going outside with them on. we also have an outdoor patio which is an employee entrance and it is also connected to the breakroom. so they will go outside on the patio as well.

 

we have foam/sprayers at the entrances to production.

 

 

Any suggestions to monitoring and/or auditing this program?

 

 

IMO, we do not give the employees proper space, tools, or time to change into/out of the shoe covers.

at the end of the day, they go to the locker room, remove and clean them, and then put them in their lockers.

 

some other scenarios:

coffee and pastry party, they went outside with them.

evacuations, they come outside with them.

everyday lunch/break, they are going to the patio with them on. They are allowed to have them in the breakroom, but not outside.

 

i heard we had footbaths/tubs for after evacuations but the practice was stopped. not sure why, maybe cost or manpower for upkeep.

 

anyways, need help with creating or updating the program to include an audit or something. not even sure there is a written program at the moment.

 

thank you for listening



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 08:30 AM

Hi,

 

Can you give more information on the product scope? Is it RTE? Is there product contact?

 

What is the goal of the shoe covers? What are you trying to mitigate?
Is it about preventing allergens/microbacteria or keeping out general dirt?
It could also be geared more towards protecting your employee's and/or their shoes from production dirt/dangers.
 

If you do need to mitigate allergens, microbacteria and other types of contamination in your production area. Then you already know they shouldn't be out on the patio/break room wearing any production clothes. 
Your company should facilitate the tools and time for them to change in and out of the appropriate clothes.

 


Edited by Marloes, 02 November 2022 - 08:31 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2022 - 12:57 PM

Are you a RTE facility?
We have a similar set up with shoe covers, but we are not RTE. We do allow people to wear them outside on breaks, because they are primarily a slip resistant cover.


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Posted 02 November 2022 - 04:20 PM

Are these covers reusable or something?  Facilities I've visited that use shoe coverings were all single use that came out of a dispenser, so employees didn't have to touch their shoes to put them on.  They were throw away after use, not to be worn outside, just like hairnets or smocks/aprons.

 

To stop employees wearing them outdoors, you'll need to conduct a retraining on procedure and handle the violations like any other GMP violation observed.  Somehow, your company's culture has taught them wearing them outside is acceptable, and it'll take hard work to change that mentality.

 

Back to one point you mention on evacuations, I think you'd run into a safety violation of sorts if you required employees to carefully remove them prior to evacuation.  The whole point of an evacuation is to get out as quickly as safely possible, so asking employees to stop to do something with shoes is likely an unsafe training practice.  But in every other scenario, yes, they shouldn't be wearing these outside before reentering the facility with them still on.



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 05:00 PM

More info: we are NRTE. trying to mitigate Listeria and other micro. these are rubber covers that 'slip' on over shoes (not easy to put on or take off).

we do provide hooks for smocks, but no bench or easy way for them to remove covers at breaks and lunches if they choose to go outside on patio.

 

is this simply disciplinary actions for those who violate?

thanks for the responses,

K



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 07:54 PM

Hi,

 

Seeing that you are trying to mitigate Listeria and other micro, I immediately see a problem. Listeria, as well as other micro, are naturally found in the environment, so by wearing the shoe covers outside the production area, micro could be tracked in. 

 

I think incorporating footbaths again could be a good idea. You can validate that wearing shoe covers outside is not a good practice from the micro stand-point by doing some swabbing. 

 

We are RTE and the team wears rubber safety boots that never leave the production area and are cleaned beginning and end of each shift. Disposable shoe covers are worn in production area by any visitors. 



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Posted 03 November 2022 - 07:17 AM

is this simply disciplinary actions for those who violate?

 

 

NO

Don't just start disciplinary actions.
You need to make sure everything is perfect from your side.

Start to provide the correct tools.
Give your co-workers correct shoe wear. Ensure dedicated production/high care shoe wear. 
Provide a suitable way to change into said shoe wear. Ensure enough space to store them, enough space and time to change in- and out of them.
If co-workers need to change frequently, make sure that you provide quick changing option (no laces/straps).

 

Then start training on the procedure.
Provide visual aids within your production (signs for correct workwear, signs regarding no production wear outside etc.).
Double check that you covered everything (all exits, all types of work).
Make clear that starting from date XX violators will be given disciplinary actions.
 

If you did your job well, you don't need to use disciplinary actions.
Which will be good for all parties involved ;).



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Posted 03 November 2022 - 11:13 AM

NO
Don't just start disciplinary actions.
You need to make sure everything is perfect from your side.

If you did your job well, you don't need to use disciplinary actions.
Which will be good for all parties involved ;).


ALL OF THIS! Marloes is spot on. You don't start with a hammer.

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