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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:27 AM

Hi All, 

 

our product main raw materials merely is water , is it okay to have cleaning method just by spraying water to the machine on daily basis without sanitising? 



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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:10 AM

Greetings Carine,

 

Unless you mixed up the terms, sanitization is what you should prioritize over cleaning. I don't know what your end product is, but even if it is just water in a bottle the legislation is very strict (as it should be) about the water quality that is used in food manufacturing, that you are in for big trouble if something goes wrong. Also, there are some microorganisms (some of them pathogens) that can exist even in chlorinated water and if they find the opportunity and start making biofilms......well then the term "trouble" won't cover it, as biofilms are a lot of pain to deal with and they can easily spread in your facilities !!!

 

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 02:01 PM

NO

 

You must CLEAN AND SANITIZE your equipment on a regular schedule

 

Even if you were bottling distilled water, there are still some impurities at the microscopic level that will build over time

 

Case in point

https://recalls-rapp...mould-and-yeast

 

https://www.convenie...Daily/ND0624155

 

https://www.popsugar...Recall-37757318

 

https://www.usatoday...zon/6996755002/

 

https://cyprus-mail....water-recalled/

 

I could go on, but i think you understand the point i'm trying to make


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Posted 28 December 2022 - 02:17 PM

I would expect ice makers would have to clean, sanitize and TEST surfaces to ensure cleanliness.


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Posted 29 December 2022 - 02:04 AM

I would expect ice makers would have to clean, sanitize and TEST surfaces to ensure cleanliness.

What type of micro should test if wanna check on biofilms formation? 



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Posted 29 December 2022 - 08:58 AM

All bacteria have the ability to form biofilms. Those that interest you most are E. coli (which can form biofilms if left unchecked), Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Enterococci.

P. aeruginosa is mostly checked in water bottling facilities, but you can include it in your sampling plan on longer intervals, than E.coli.

This next one is just my personal opinion but I would also do, from time to time, a Listeria check in the drainage system.



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Posted 29 December 2022 - 01:15 PM


All bacteria have the ability to form biofilms. Those that interest you most are E. coli (which can form biofilms if left unchecked), Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Enterococci.
P. aeruginosa is mostly checked in water bottling facilities, but you can include it in your sampling plan on longer intervals, than E.coli.
This next one is just my personal opinion but I would also do, from time to time, a Listeria check in the drainage system.


I agree with Evans X. You have to start somewhere.

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Posted 29 December 2022 - 07:28 PM

All bacteria have the ability to form biofilms. Those that interest you most are E. coli (which can form biofilms if left unchecked), Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Enterococci.

P. aeruginosa is mostly checked in water bottling facilities, but you can include it in your sampling plan on longer intervals, than E.coli.

This next one is just my personal opinion but I would also do, from time to time, a Listeria check in the drainage system.

Hi Evans X,

 

As Post4 and based on the OP's previous Posts, the likely end product is large blocks of ice unless maybe a new Project.

 

IMEX of monitoring of Ice suppliers, the micro quality can vary dramatically often depending on the process environment and degree of "ad hoc"-nicity in the  process controls.


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