Jump to content

  • Quick Navigation
Photo

Storing food under fly killers

Share this

  • You cannot start a new topic
  • Please log in to reply
9 replies to this topic

Persian girl

    Grade - AIFSQN

  • IFSQN Associate
  • 40 posts
  • 3 thanks
2
Neutral

  • Ireland
    Ireland

Posted 30 March 2023 - 10:15 AM

In clause 4.14.6, mentioned about danger of insects being expelled from a fly-killing.

Our fly killers have glue boards.

Last year we had a mock BRC audit and auditor said putting exposed food crates under fly killer is non conformance.

Even by using glue boards, still putting exposed food crates under fly killer is non conformance?



Alexis M

    Grade - Active

  • IFSQN Active
  • 18 posts
  • 6 thanks
4
Neutral

  • United States
    United States

Posted 30 March 2023 - 10:26 AM

Do you guys have the 18in Perimeter in your storage areas where the food crates are being kept? If not I would suggest making one. This is one of the regulations that we have for BRC. It allows for proper pest control as our traps and glue boards line the wall and are not directly under/over any food product. I copied a risk assessment link below that I found from another thread on this forum. 

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...&attach_id=6354



Thanked by 1 Member:

Persian girl

    Grade - AIFSQN

  • IFSQN Associate
  • 40 posts
  • 3 thanks
2
Neutral

  • Ireland
    Ireland

Posted 30 March 2023 - 10:48 AM

Do you guys have the 18in Perimeter in your storage areas where the food crates are being kept? If not I would suggest making one. This is one of the regulations that we have for BRC. It allows for proper pest control as our traps and glue boards line the wall and are not directly under/over any food product. I copied a risk assessment link below that I found from another thread on this forum. 

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...&attach_id=6354

Thank you for prompt reply.

This fly killer is not hanged on wall. It is hanged to ceiling with two strings. Can we use 18inch perimeter like a circle?

and install it under the fly killer?



Persian girl

    Grade - AIFSQN

  • IFSQN Associate
  • 40 posts
  • 3 thanks
2
Neutral

  • Ireland
    Ireland

Posted 30 March 2023 - 11:36 AM

Interpretation of this clause said:
"Where insect-killing devices, pheromone traps or other insect-monitoring devices are used,
they must be correctly sited and operational. If insects could be expelled from an insectkilling
device and contaminate the product, alternative systems and equipment must be
used (e.g. those based on sticky-board technology) or the devices must be moved to a more
appropriate position.
Equipment must be fully operational. For example, bulbs on insect-killing devices must be
changed at regular intervals (in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions) to maintain
optimal luminosity performance (there is no minimum frequency for changing the bulbs, as
this will depend on a number of factors, including the brand of bulb used), and pheromone
traps must be replenished quarterly or in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.
Documentation must provide evidence of this maintenance."
Is glue board enough to eliminate the risk? 

 

Thank you for prompt reply.

This fly killer is not hanged on wall. It is hanged to ceiling with two strings. Can we use 18inch perimeter like a circle?

and install it under the fly killer?

I couldn't find any information about 18inch perimeter in BRC. Can you please mention your reference?



Scampi

    Fellow

  • IFSQN Fellow
  • 5,444 posts
  • 1507 thanks
1,524
Excellent

  • Canada
    Canada
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 30 March 2023 - 12:09 PM

All auditors will quote some random 18" perimeter, I've never found a true source of this nonsense EXCEPT it's enough room to allow the PCO to perform routine inspections of pest traps along perimeter walls

 

And yes, what your describing is unacceptable, as the glue dries out and the fly carcasses fall off---gross

 

Generally speaking the glue boards are kept in a light source meant to attract them, when the fall off, they bodies are captured in an enclosed tray and these units are mounted on the wall


Please stop referring to me as Sir/sirs


Thanked by 1 Member:

Persian girl

    Grade - AIFSQN

  • IFSQN Associate
  • 40 posts
  • 3 thanks
2
Neutral

  • Ireland
    Ireland

Posted 30 March 2023 - 01:57 PM

All auditors will quote some random 18" perimeter, I've never found a true source of this nonsense EXCEPT it's enough room to allow the PCO to perform routine inspections of pest traps along perimeter walls

 

And yes, what your describing is unacceptable, as the glue dries out and the fly carcasses fall off---gross

 

Generally speaking the glue boards are kept in a light source meant to attract them, when the fall off, they bodies are captured in an enclosed tray and these units are mounted on the wall

The fly killer has two sides. So you think there is not any solution for eliminating risk of this non conformity?



Brothbro

    Grade - SIFSQN

  • IFSQN Senior
  • 350 posts
  • 115 thanks
180
Excellent

  • United States
    United States
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Aimlessly browsing the internet

Posted 30 March 2023 - 03:53 PM

It is unusual that you have a glue trap hanging from the ceiling and not mounted on a wall. As scampi said, glue boards are accompanied by a light to attract the flies. Why would you want to attract flies to the middle of your warehouse? Why not attract them somewhere lower risk, like near a wall where it is less likely for product to be passing through? While it's true that a measured 18in rule can be hard to find, the spirit of the rule is that you should situate your traps/equipment in a manner that allows them to be easily inspected/maintained. They should also be positioned in so that their operation does not promote contamination in your product (not leaving them above food storage). 

 

I would consider moving the traps to the walls, and using an insect light trap if you aren't already. These are wall mounted fixtures with light bulbs that attract flies in, and trap them on glue boards. The boards are designed in a way that even if insects fall off the board, the entire device is enclosed thus keeping the insects contained. Your pest control service provider should know what these are. Insects typically enter your facility through your doors, which are of course near walls. However, you may see that your facility has gaps in the ceiling or roof which is leading to insects coming in to the center of your plant? In this case the best option is to fix those ceiling gaps, rather than using insect traps away from the wall.



Persian girl

    Grade - AIFSQN

  • IFSQN Associate
  • 40 posts
  • 3 thanks
2
Neutral

  • Ireland
    Ireland

Posted 30 March 2023 - 04:25 PM

It is unusual that you have a glue trap hanging from the ceiling and not mounted on a wall. As scampi said, glue boards are accompanied by a light to attract the flies. Why would you want to attract flies to the middle of your warehouse? Why not attract them somewhere lower risk, like near a wall where it is less likely for product to be passing through? While it's true that a measured 18in rule can be hard to find, the spirit of the rule is that you should situate your traps/equipment in a manner that allows them to be easily inspected/maintained. They should also be positioned in so that their operation does not promote contamination in your product (not leaving them above food storage). 

 

I would consider moving the traps to the walls, and using an insect light trap if you aren't already. These are wall mounted fixtures with light bulbs that attract flies in, and trap them on glue boards. The boards are designed in a way that even if insects fall off the board, the entire device is enclosed thus keeping the insects contained. Your pest control service provider should know what these are. Insects typically enter your facility through your doors, which are of course near walls. However, you may see that your facility has gaps in the ceiling or roof which is leading to insects coming in to the center of your plant? In this case the best option is to fix those ceiling gaps, rather than using insect traps away from the wall.

This fly killer is in intake bay. In this area there is a big door for receiving fish deliveries and this fly killer is in front of this door. We are in contract with a pest control company and it is installed by this company and place of fly killers assigned by filled biologist by assessing risk of the place.



Brothbro

    Grade - SIFSQN

  • IFSQN Senior
  • 350 posts
  • 115 thanks
180
Excellent

  • United States
    United States
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Aimlessly browsing the internet

Posted 30 March 2023 - 05:27 PM

This fly killer is in intake bay. In this area there is a big door for receiving fish deliveries and this fly killer is in front of this door. We are in contract with a pest control company and it is installed by this company and place of fly killers assigned by filled biologist by assessing risk of the place.

 

It sounds like there is a disagreement between your biologist and the auditor then on the placement of this trap. The biologist may have placed the trap there because it has a high chance of catching flies, but do they understand the risks posed to the food in the area? It sounds like clearing the NC could be as straightforward as switching your glue trap system to a wall mounted light trap on the wall next to the big door. You would still be addressing flying insect risk in the area, but in a way that poses a much lower risk to the food you're receiving. 



kingstudruler1

    Grade - PIFSQN

  • IFSQN Principal
  • 825 posts
  • 284 thanks
242
Excellent

  • United States
    United States

Posted 06 April 2023 - 02:41 AM

regardless of zapper or glue, you dont want them located near exposed food or food contact surfaces.   Your attracting insects to an area where you dont want them.

 

 

[Fly Control] Where to Install Insect Light Traps - Pest Control Technology (pctonline.com)

 

AIBI recommends 10 feet 

Food First Blog | Tip Of The Week: Using Pest Monitoring Devices (aibinternational.com)


eb2fee_785dceddab034fa1a30dd80c7e21f1d7~

    Twofishfs@gmail.com

 




Share this


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users