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[Simon]

New month, new poll.  
 

Everyone’s talking about AI right now, but what about its impact on food safety?

 

Some see it as a game-changer for traceability, audits, and training. Others think it could create new risks and over-reliance.

 

What do you think?

[jfrey123]

I'm going to say it can offer somewhat of an improvement, all dependent on how it gets utilized.  I'm loosely experimenting with it in my audit reviews for supplier approvals, and just using Co-Pilot through our existing company licenses is showing it can identify the key items we review farm audits for (of course verified by human after).  You can give it a set of prompts (check for x, check for y, check for z), and it can spit out either quick bullet points or go into details into a Word doc report with full supporting details.  Ex: I asked it to review a packinghouse for whether wash steps are applied to blueberries, it bullet point confirmed yes and then offered a detailed explanation of the steps and included the ppm of the sanitizers and how often they're monitored.

 

We're toying with it to see if it can review an entire audit and make some cause\effect type correlations.  So far it's not great but we're also experimenting with it to see what trends it can find in our raw EMP data, or our pest control findings.  The PC findings were interesting, because you can ask it to review the trends by dates and have it search for weather patterns in the area.  Right now using it as a tool to support the human is showing some promise, but I'm not eager to have it take over any tech level roles anytime soon. 

 

Over-reliance would absolutely be a problem in the coming future.  We already struggle to find individuals willing to learn about this field, and if they start using plug-n-play AI tools to do the job a human should know how to do, then we lose the ability to train humans who can see where the AI makes errors.  It has the potential to look like these problems in college where students are writing essays with AI, educators are grading the essays with AI, and no one is actually learning or teaching anymore...

[kconf]

That is scary - writing and grading being done by AI. 

[GMO]

I had a customer use AI to interpret different standards requirements the other day and it was just wrong to the point of actually having the opposite meaning.  

 

I've also used it for an academic summary with references.  When I checked the references they were either BS or not stating what was claimed.

 

So as ever, beware.  Also be aware that some of the AI tools capture your data.  So if you upload a report, they then have that report to use as source data for anyone else.  Same with audit results etc.  Be logged in and know the security stuff about what you're using.

 

But that all said, it has potential.  I think there are some "big data" options with it.  

[PrplomSolved]

 

New month, new poll.  
 

Everyone’s talking about AI right now, but what about its impact on food safety?

 

Some see it as a game-changer for traceability, audits, and training. Others think it could create new risks and over-reliance.

 

What do you think?

 

 

When it comes to food safety, AI might really help with things like tracking where food’s been, catching problems quicker, and even helping train folks on proper handling. Big companies with deep pockets and tech teams might see big gains. But for smaller processors, like family-run operations or mom-and-pop shops, it’s a different story. The cost of the equipment, not having the tech know-how, and just trying to get good data in the first place... that’s a tall order. There's also the risk of trusting these systems too much without understanding how they’re making decisions. You don’t want to put all your eggs in one basket, especially when lives are on the line. That said, if we can make these tools simpler, more affordable, and something folks can actually understand and use, AI could help raise the bar for food safety across the board.

[GMO]

You know what AI reminds me of?  Those big ERP projects.  Where you have a team who really understand food safety and are listening and educating the team, you get the right results and the team have a strong understanding of what's going on in the system infrastructure.  If you have a weaker execution of that process, the system architecture is designed without thought to food safety leading to issues later with the ability to customise and change.  Misunderstandings occur as the teams on site don't understand how the data is being treated by the system.  A typical example of this is how trace and hold work.  When you probe, or when incidents occur it becomes clear that the team didn't really understand what was happening.

 

The same happens with AI.  When you understand the fallibility, especially for academic sources, you are less likely to accept the outputs of it without question.  It has its strengths but there are also weaknesses.

 

If you use an AI tool to summarise a document that you've provided it with or look at data you have provided and look for trends etc., it will probably do a good job.  If you ask it to generate something from sources you've not provided, it won't do so well.  You cannot rely on the interpretation without checking.  But even on data there is a level of QC which needs to be deployed and my worry is that seems like a task which doesn't have value.  It seems like "optional" or "extra" work.  You only have to look at some of the data or quotes referencing academic papers presented by RFK Jnr to say it's not.  People will come a cropper on this and in  a big and embarrassing way.  If you stop sense checking on AI it will bite you in the butt.

[G M]

On the caveat of in the next 5 years I definitely think it will make things worse.  Most applications of AI, like a lot of other recent tech, are massively overhyped.  The theory or hypothetical application might be great, but the reality of what they are capable of now is fairly unimpressive.

 

Like others have mentioned, AI can make some connections, but it frequently fails to understand context or the subtleties that are obvious to a person, and will arrive at the opposite conclusion or just make **** up.  There have been a several legal cases that made headlines for this kind of fabrication and hallucination.

[Setanta]

BOTH. 

There will be some good and some bad. Being the shining optimist that I am (   )  I think the bad (misinformations) will outweigh the good.

[TimG]

My gut feeling is that it will be a struggle for quite some time. I remember back to working in a dealership parts department and they had recently got computers to look up parts. The old timers were against it; they thought it was 'crap' and a 'phase'. They still liked to use the microfiche, cards, etc. I thought they were nuts. While they were FAST on the microfiche, when I was up to speed I could blow them away (computer looked up parts, selected, showed inventory, right into invoicing.)

 

Now I'm the old timer thinking AI is crap and a phase, so I guess it all comes full circle.

[MDaleDDF]

I agree short term AI is a mess.   Long term, it'll probably improve to the point it is good for many things.   As far as ERP checkups and all that tho, AI only knows what you tell it to know, and ERP numbers are only as good as the employees scanning/inputting data.   So there will still be bs issues caused by human error, etc.   

 

I plan to be sitting on a beach with a cocktail in my hand and throwing my dog a frisbee before it matters much... 

[qa_maddy]

I just worry about people trying to use it as a catch all - especially Large Language Models.

I've already had to discourage my boss from using the google AI summary if I'm looking up anything regulation related because it'll pull information from wherever it wants and won't actually provide the information you need. It can reproduce, it can't interpret well and I still think there's too much nuance/ human impact in this field for it to be used very effectively.  

That also doesn't even begin to talk about the environmental impacts it has etc. etc. 

[GMO]

I agree short term AI is a mess.   Long term, it'll probably improve to the point it is good for many things.   As far as ERP checkups and all that tho, AI only knows what you tell it to know, and ERP numbers are only as good as the employees scanning/inputting data.   So there will still be bs issues caused by human error, etc.   

 

I plan to be sitting on a beach with a cocktail in my hand and throwing my dog a frisbee before it matters much... 

 

Yeah it has a similar BS in and BS out but also sometimes not realising that BS is going in.