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[norad]

Dear All,

I'm a hotelier from Turkey and am considering getting a certification for my hotel. I've read a few things on internet regarding to HACCP and ISO 22000, but finally came across this wonderful forum.

It seems like a lot of companies are switching to ISO 22000 since it's becoming the new worldwide standard. Is that true? Shall I also consider getting certified to ISO 22000 instead of HACCP? For some reason, HACCP is very popular in my area. Not because many hotels have HACCP certification, but because many hoteliers believe that HACCP is "the standard" of Food Safety.

According to what I've read so farm ISO 22000 is based on HACCP's principles and improved them. But the most important aspect for me is that the Food Safety Certification I get should be accepted worldwide and everyone should know about it (guests, tour operators, etc). And another thing which worries me is what ISO 9001 has become in time. ISO 9001 has become too commercial, and it got so pouplar that having a ISO 9001 certification does not mean much anymore. I'm afraid that the same thing might happen to ISO 22000 in the future.

[Abdul Qudoos]

Dear All,

I'm a hotelier from Turkey and am considering getting a certification for my hotel. I've read a few things on internet regarding to HACCP and ISO 22000, but finally came across this wonderful forum.

It seems like a lot of companies are switching to ISO 22000 since it's becoming the new worldwide standard. Is that true? Shall I also consider getting certified to ISO 22000 instead of HACCP? For some reason, HACCP is very popular in my area. Not because many hotels have HACCP certification, but because many hoteliers believe that HACCP is "the standard" of Food Safety.

According to what I've read so farm ISO 22000 is based on HACCP's principles and improved them. But the most important aspect for me is that the Food Safety Certification I get should be accepted worldwide and everyone should know about it (guests, tour operators, etc). And another thing which worries me is what ISO 9001 has become in time. ISO 9001 has become too commercial, and it got so pouplar that having a ISO 9001 certification does not mean much anymore. I'm afraid that the same thing might happen to ISO 22000 in the future.

WELCOME to the forum!

You can go for ISO 22000:2005 that inclusive of HACCP, don't worry about the process it is simple if you understand, you need to have documented procedures, records and few other documents like food safety policy & objectives, hazard identification and analysis, raw material, ingredients and food contact material data/specifications, process flow diagrams, operational pre-requisite programs and HACCP plan.

In this forum you may get everything that needs to document, implement, and certification, please move ahead.

Edited by Abdul Qudoos, 14 July 2009 - 09:19 AM.

[norad]

Thank you for your reply Abdul Qudoos. So, you recomennd 22000:2005, but not HACCP? Any particular reason? Which one is more reputable?

Any other comments?

Thank you

[GMO]

HACCP is a concept of which ISO22000 is a standard relating to HACCP. I believe some sites still get verified against Codex standards is that what you mean?

So it's not a question of ISO22000 or HACCP, if you were going for ISO22000 you would have to have a HACCP system, ISO22000 is just a way of approaching it.

[norad]

I see. I didn't know that ISO 22000 is a HACCP system. I keep hearing from other hoteliers that they have HACCP certification which made me think that HACCP itself was a certification, not a system.

[Simon]

ISO 22000 is complete management system to control food safety. At the heart of ISO 22000 is a risk based approach for identifying and controlling hazards along the lines of HACCP. But ISO 22000 is much, much more than just HACCP. A business can become certified to ISO 22000.

I believe some countries also have HACCP certification programmes. No matter which system you choose HACCP or similar will be at the heart of it and that includes the BRC, IFS and SQF Standards.

It's your choice as long as that your choice meets the requirements of your regulatory body and matches the expectations of your customers.

Regards,
Simon

[Abdul Qudoos]

Thank you for your reply Abdul Qudoos. So, you recomennd 22000:2005, but not HACCP? Any particular reason? Which one is more reputable?

Any other comments?

Thank you

At-last you need to decide,

Agreed and well said by GMO & Simon. Look at the competition, think more and by taking consideration of customers, please go ahead!

[Penard]

whaou, what a strong decision to think about ISO 22K certification for an hotel!

To me some points to keep in mind :

- ISO 9K and 22K : same 'fight', international standards. Not completely agree about 9001, for sure you have some companies which don't manage ISO 900& in the best way, but be sure that you'll have the same issue for 22K - and any other certif. Whatever your ISO is, you do what you say, you say what you write and you write what you do in a continuous improvement spirit.

- Haccp/ ISO 22K : as Simon wrote ISO 22K contains some Haccp studies with a management system all around the Haccp - allowing the certification to be credible

- last I think that having the 22K is a real challenge for a restaurant for example - for a big one, but I'm not sure that the 22K is the most appropriate certification for a hotel due to the various activities - rooms, welcoming...A global certification would be more pertinent (imagine you'll have 22K for the restaurant, 14K for environment, XXY for the desk reception...)

- last last you have to consider the return on investment : when you want to obtain a certification it costs a lot...

So to sum up, very good to want to be the best in class/ food and certification etc... but several points have to be kept in mind. I think the 9001 remains the best global certification (you work for your customers...and what do you do to satisfy your customers vs food safety, hygien, traceability etc...) with a food safety approach.

At your disposal,

Emmanuel

[Tony-C]

All Food outlets should have a HACCP plan.

ISO 22000 is a very detailed standard for Food Safety Management Systems and IMO is not really designed for the Hotel business.

You can have your HACCP certified but I would ask your regulatory authority to review it with you. This should be free and you avoid certification costs.

If I was in the hotel business I would ask myself if people would be more likely to stay or eat in my hotel if I was ISO 22000 certified?

ISO 9001 is a much more appropriate standard but should be combined with your own HACCP plan.

Regards,

Tony

[itay.sh]

All Food outlets should have a HACCP plan.

ISO 22000 is a very detailed standard for Food Safety Management Systems and IMO is not really designed for the Hotel business.

You can have your HACCP certified but I would ask your regulatory authority to review it with you. This should be free and you avoid certification costs.

If I was in the hotel business I would ask myself if people would be more likely to stay or eat in my hotel if I was ISO 22000 certified?

ISO 9001 is a much more appropriate standard but should be combined with your own HACCP plan.

Regards,

Tony

At first, I thought "Having a HACCP system applied to hotels? Are they MAD?"
HACCP system takes a lot of work, a lot of attention, a lot of paperwork and maintanance. It's not something I think needed for an hotel, a businessplace that isn't concerened in producing food- it is concerened in entertaining patrons. Most of them won't even notice the HACCP, a good sanitary conditions is all you need to avoid any illness from the patrons.

If, however, it's a matter of "a certification on the wall" (which, most people will not even understand, and I'd be suspicious about), then get a consultant and get the certification.