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#1 Juyuan

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:38 AM

Dear All

I have a question from one of the auditor during their customer audit in our place.

She commented that it is not allowed to use food as a bait in a mouse trap because it will attract the pest from the outside to come inside.
Is there any pest control reference for this?


Thanks alot for sharing your views.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:51 AM

Dear Juyuan,

So what did the auditor suggest to use as bait ? An attractively coloured poison pellet ? :smile:

Never heard this comment before. The most usual problem IMEX is finding a suitable (cheap) food. One alternative might be to only leave the food in at night when all the outside pests are sleeping, except bats of course ! :smile:

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 01:01 AM

Dear All

I have a question from one of the auditor during their customer audit in our place.

She commented that it is not allowed to use food as a bait in a mouse trap because it will attract the pest from the outside to come inside.
Is there any pest control reference for this?


Thanks alot for sharing your views.

Best regards

Juyuan

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Dear Juyuan..

as AIB regulation for rodent monitoring devices, state :"Toxic and non-toxic baits are not used for interiormonitoring". That the reason why the auditor is not allow the bait at the inside area..

IMEX...I use glue trap as monitoring devices for rodent at the inside area, and during the audit, the auditor always accept that system.


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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:07 AM

Dear All

I have a question from one of the auditor during their customer audit in our place.

She commented that it is not allowed to use food as a bait in a mouse trap because it will attract the pest from the outside to come inside.
Is there any pest control reference for this?


Thanks alot for sharing your views.

Best regards

Juyuan

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Dear Juyuan,

I believe the concern raised by the auditor is when use food as the bait, it will attract more pest if the buliding structures are having open accees points for pest to enter into the premise. Further, you shall monitor and check your rodent trap regularly to ensure the food shall not be there more than 1 or 2 days, if any you shall replace it with the new ones. You also need to monitor whether the rodent trap was folded with or without any catch. The catch analysis is important for the pest control.
Besides, i believe glue board is a good method to implement, and you may set the block passageways to force rodents to travel directly over glue board to increase the effectiveness.
Hope the above helps and have a nice day.

Best Regards,
Jeremy

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:49 AM

Dear Juyuan..

as AIB regulation for rodent monitoring devices, state :"Toxic and non-toxic baits are not used for interiormonitoring". That the reason why the auditor is not allow the bait at the inside area..

IMEX...I use glue trap as monitoring devices for rodent at the inside area, and during the audit, the auditor always accept that system.


rgds

AS Nur





Dear AS Nur

Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate it.

By the way, I have some sort of silly questions, what do AIB and IMEX stand for?

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:53 AM

Dear Juyuan,

So what did the auditor suggest to use as bait ? An attractively coloured poison pellet ? Posted Image

Never heard this comment before. The most usual problem IMEX is finding a suitable (cheap) food. One alternative might be to only leave the food in at night when all the outside pests are sleeping, except bats of course ! Posted Image

Rgds / Charles.C



Dear Charles

I did ask the auditor that question and she didn't answer it or couldn't answer it. Posted Image

Thanks alot for your reply.

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Juyuan

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:54 AM

Dear AS Nur

Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate it.

By the way, I have some sort of silly questions, what do AIB and IMEX stand for?

Best regards

Juyuan



AIB = American Institute Of Baking, that is the certification and standard body for food safety like ISO.

IMEX = In my experience

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 04:52 PM

Dear All,

I guess it may depend on the locality /species IQ but I gave up using glue boards a long time ago due zero catch.

IMEX, no bait = no catch for the modern rattus / traditional spring traps.
Electronic methods also seemed worthless.

IMO, the first priority is to remove all attractions, eg easy access / nesting areas / food. Then try to eliminate any residents with internal (non-toxic) / external systems (toxic only if professionally controlled with "guaranteed" safe traps).

Rgds / Charles.C


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Posted 23 June 2010 - 08:43 PM

I have dealt with multiple pest control companies who all work with a multitude of food processors in different industries. The standard practice as I've seen it has always been bait stations outside of the building to control rodent populations, and "steel cat" type traps or glue board type traps in the building's interior, where processing takes place. The traps I've seen have definitely been effective - when we had an issue with a compromised building (gaps under doors) we actually had to have the service tech come extra times throughout the month until we located the source of the problem.

Jon

Dear All

I have a question from one of the auditor during their customer audit in our place.

She commented that it is not allowed to use food as a bait in a mouse trap because it will attract the pest from the outside to come inside.
Is there any pest control reference for this?


Thanks alot for sharing your views.

Best regards

Juyuan

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 09:54 AM

Dear Juyuan,

I believe the concern raised by the auditor is when use food as the bait, it will attract more pest if the buliding structures are having open accees points for pest to enter into the premise. Further, you shall monitor and check your rodent trap regularly to ensure the food shall not be there more than 1 or 2 days, if any you shall replace it with the new ones. You also need to monitor whether the rodent trap was folded with or without any catch. The catch analysis is important for the pest control.
Besides, i believe glue board is a good method to implement, and you may set the block passageways to force rodents to travel directly over glue board to increase the effectiveness.
Hope the above helps and have a nice day.

Best Regards,
Jeremy


Dear Jeremy

Thanks alot for your reply and suggestions.

IMEX, glue boards don't work well here (they don't catch any mouse).

Best regards

Juyuan

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 02:34 AM

I have dealt with multiple pest control companies who all work with a multitude of food processors in different industries. The standard practice as I've seen it has always been bait stations outside of the building to control rodent populations, and "steel cat" type traps or glue board type traps in the building's interior, where processing takes place. The traps I've seen have definitely been effective - when we had an issue with a compromised building (gaps under doors) we actually had to have the service tech come extra times throughout the month until we located the source of the problem.

Jon




Dear Jon

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Have a nice week.

Best regards

Juyuan

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:00 AM

Dear Juyuan,
Best practice for pest control in the food industry is to prevent pest entry either through physical barriers in place or to have an adequate bait station system external to the premises to minimise the general population externally such that it is very unlikely that pests would enter the premises. Maintenance of the food storage and cleaning programs etc. should be sufficient to not provide a source of food for pests. Similarly, placing food out as an attractant for pests internal to the food premises would generally raise a comment from an auditor. May I ask specifically what standard you were being audited to?
Regards,
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 12:28 PM

Dear Juyuan,
Best practice for pest control in the food industry is to prevent pest entry either through physical barriers in place or to have an adequate bait station system external to the premises to minimise the general population externally such that it is very unlikely that pests would enter the premises. Maintenance of the food storage and cleaning programs etc. should be sufficient to not provide a source of food for pests. Similarly, placing food out as an attractant for pests internal to the food premises would generally raise a comment from an auditor. May I ask specifically what standard you were being audited to?
Regards,
Margaret Balfour



Dear Juyuan,

In support of Margaret most standards enforce no external foods and drinks should be brought in the processing area hence baits should not be foods but use of proffessional pest controllers is highly recommended.

Regards,
Kamwenji Njuma

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:32 AM

What about if you used food in bait traps, but at a good distance away from the factory. That way you are enticing the local pest population to a sort of irresistible extermination party without any risk to the factory. It sounds silly, but I am being serious.


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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:23 PM

What about if you used food in bait traps, but at a good distance away from the factory. That way you are enticing the local pest population to a sort of irresistible extermination party without any risk to the factory. It sounds silly, but I am being serious.


Simon:

I think the "bait" in the the trap is formulated to attract rodents, otherwise it wouldn't be effective. Replacing the poison bait with non-poisoned food would attract rodents, but would result in less reduction in the population. Unless you're considering formulating your own type of poison rodent bait, with human food?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:47 PM

Simon:

I think the "bait" in the the trap is formulated to attract rodents, otherwise it wouldn't be effective. Replacing the poison bait with non-poisoned food would attract rodents, but would result in less reduction in the population. Unless you're considering formulating your own type of poison rodent bait, with human food?

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Ok, so it was a bad idea Jon, but at least it was an idea. :smile: To be honest I didn't know that poisoned rat bait was attrcative to rodents that's how much I know.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:40 PM

Ok, so it was a bad idea Jon, but at least it was an idea. :smile: To be honest I didn't know that poisoned rat bait was attrcative to rodents that's how much I know.


I can always appreciate ideas and thinking "outside the box." And I appreciate this forum allowing us to all share ideas and information. Thank you for the hard work Simon.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 02:20 AM

What about if you used food in bait traps, but at a good distance away from the factory. That way you are enticing the local pest population to a sort of irresistible extermination party without any risk to the factory. It sounds silly, but I am being serious.


It doesn't sound so silly to me - I have seen food used to attract mice to glue traps and it works :death:

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 02:09 PM

I can always appreciate ideas and thinking "outside the box." And I appreciate this forum allowing us to all share ideas and information. Thank you for the hard work Simon.

Thanks guys, esteem boosted and ego polished. :smarty:

It doesn't sound so silly to me - I have seen food used to attract mice to glue traps and it works :death:


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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:45 PM

Hi

I think it's better to use a glue as a bait in manufacturing or processing area, Also according to your process you can determine pest control methods.

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Dear All

I have a question from one of the auditor during their customer audit in our place.

She commented that it is not allowed to use food as a bait in a mouse trap because it will attract the pest from the outside to come inside.
Is there any pest control reference for this?


Thanks alot for sharing your views.

Best regards

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:15 AM

Hi guys,

im also having the same dilemma.

my warehouse is organic certified.

during last year's organic audit, the auditor (for ICEA) didnt comment on not using bait for glue boards.
however, this year, the auditor from China commented that baits is not allowed for glue board.
when asked how to catch the rats when the glue board is not armed with baits, they say based on luck, then the mouse will be caught.

we are very new in this organic certified warehouse, and we are not allowed to use poision baits (obviously) and fuming / spraying as well.

honestly, what are your views on this?

how come different certification body have different rules to comply to? is there a general rule of the thumb?

p/s: i understand organic things is very sensitive



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Posted 22 July 2011 - 02:11 PM

Hi. The use of raw corn is a good option. It has practically no smell. The problem is when you use smelly bait like cheese. Try the corn and always keep the area clean. Regards.



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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:23 PM

Hi. The use of raw corn is a good option. It has practically no smell. The problem is when you use smelly bait like cheese. Try the corn and always keep the area clean. Regards.



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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:37 PM

Hi. The use of raw corn is a good option. It has practically no smell. The problem is when you use smelly bait like cheese. Try the corn and always keep the area clean. Regards.




Sorry hit the button to quick.

In the US. Vitamin D3 (Cholecalcifero) sold under the name of Quintox used to be allowed in the organic program. Using other foods as bait attractant is OK just make sure it does not attract a non-rodent pest.

Good luck




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