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[Colbert]

Hello everyone,

I just read on the Jakarta Post, that Kopi Luwak, a very unique coffee - please check on http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Kopi_Luwak, is under review process of Fatwa by Indonesian Muslim organisations.

Actually, besides the fact that I am a huge fan of the coffee, I was thinking that the whole making process is pretty interesting, on food safety matters, and I was wondering if someone has already worked on a GMP or HACCP concerning the Kopi Luwak.

Thanks

Best regards,

Remi

[Charles.C]

Dear Colbert,

Very intriguing post. Some slight analogies to birds’ nest soup perhaps. We had a thread on that some while back.

Regarding quality guarantees I did see this one -

Civet Coffee, is an Arabica Coffee that are eaten and digested by civet which only eat best quality of coffee

.
http://www.ec21.com/...ans/page-5.html

and contrariwise –

Taste testing conducted at B.. Museum of Tea and Coffee in London elicited smiles and compliments from one taster, until she found out how the coffee was made. She reportedly made a hurried exit.

http://iansblog2.blogspot.com/2007/09/for-your-next-dinner-party.html

A seemingly more scientific evaluation is on this site which claims that a large proportion of the traded product is not quite the “real” thing. There could be several reasons for this of course.
http://www.npr.org/t...toryId=11847227

Rgds / Charles.C

[Jon5]

I would be shocked if this is approved by muslim organizations! Wouldn't it be considered animal waste? I would be willing to try it, myself, but would not be willing to drink it on any sort of regular basis as I suspect that it would be unhealthy to do so. My logic is that their waste is similar in chemistry to human waste, and therefore potentially potentially harmful if consumed on a regular basis for a long period of time.

Please do post an update on this if you hear the result of the review! I'm very interested.

Jon

Hello everyone,

I just read on the Jakarta Post, that Kopi Luwak, a very unique coffee - please check on http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Kopi_Luwak, is under review process of Fatwa by Indonesian Muslim organisations.

Actually, besides the fact that I am a huge fan of the coffee, I was thinking that the whole making process is pretty interesting, on food safety matters, and I was wondering if someone has already worked on a GMP or HACCP concerning the Kopi Luwak.

Thanks

Best regards,

Remi

[Tony-C]

Hello everyone,

I just read on the Jakarta Post, that Kopi Luwak, a very unique coffee - please check on http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Kopi_Luwak, is under review process of Fatwa by Indonesian Muslim organisations.

Actually, besides the fact that I am a huge fan of the coffee, I was thinking that the whole making process is pretty interesting, on food safety matters, and I was wondering if someone has already worked on a GMP or HACCP concerning the Kopi Luwak.

Thanks

Best regards,

Remi

Great topic Remi

I would be interested to see a HACCP plan for this as well. I guess washing and then roasting at 220 C will remove any hazards.

I am a fan of coffee as well but to adapt a well known English phrase "it is not my cup of coffee"

Regards,

Tony

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

Certainly have no competency myself to comment on the issues involved however the hygenic status would appear to have been resolved for the moment in the coffee’s favour. eg

http://www.abigmessa...kopi-luwak.html
(and several other links)

Rgds / Charles.C

[Margaret Balfour]

Hi Remi,
I'd imagine the CCP and GMP requirements would be much the same as "standard" coffee. The roasting process should effectively eliminate any biological food safety hazards and application of hot water in the actual coffee making process should further mitigate the risk.
Cheers,
Margaret

[Jon5]

Hi Remi,
I'd imagine the CCP and GMP requirements would be much the same as "standard" coffee. The roasting process should effectively eliminate any biological food safety hazards and application of hot water in the actual coffee making process should further mitigate the risk.
Cheers,
Margaret

I see your point for microbial risk, but heat treatment provides little protection against chemical risks, unless the chemical in question is highly volatile. There are very strict limits in place for nitrates and the like, for drinking water. What assurance is there that these waste chemicals are eliminated or reduced to a safe level in these products, even assuming consumption is one cup a day or less?

Thoughts anyone?

Jon

[Simon]

Coming from a slightly different angle - who on earth first thought hmm I'm going to have a root through this civet poo to see if there is anything of interest. Hmmm look at these small pebbles I wonder if I can make a warm beverage out of them.

[amb]

Well, Usually coffee is roasted between 440 and 470 degrees. at this point coffee lmost becomes a carbon so, there is not a strong threat to human health.
amb

[Jon5]

Well, Usually coffee is roasted between 440 and 470 degrees. at this point coffee lmost becomes a carbon so, there is not a strong threat to human health.
amb

amb -

I had no idea it was cooked so hot. This does alleviate some of my concern. But I am honestly still skeptical. What happens if you heat excriment to 470 degrees F? I would be very interested to see the results of a full analytical battery of tests on this product... however I doubt anyone has this information publicly available. At any rate, great conversation.

[Tony-C]

amb -
What happens if you heat excrement to 470 degrees F?

Sound like you get coffee

[Jon5]

Sound like you get coffee

Nice.

[Simon]

Nice.

Where there's muck there's brass.

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

By way of conversational comparison, AFAIK, Birds' Nest Soup is definitely not roasted. IMEX, flavour was indescribable.

Rgds / Charles.C