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[Ossama Ismail]

Dear Colleagues pls. kindly I need your help:-
1.Difference between : Withdrawals & Recall in the different food safety standards & initiatives :ISO 22000:2005 , GFSI , AIB 2009, IFS, BRC ?

2. Real Life Examples showing the difference between : PRP ( clause 7.2) ,OPRPs (7.5) , HACCP plan( CCP) clause 7.6 & CP ?
Many Thanks in advance
Ossama Ismail

[Anish]

Dear Ismail,

Please refer the attached document for your use.

Rgds,
anish
 Guidance_Notes_on_Food_Safety__Traceability__Product_Withdrawal_and_Product_Recall1.pdf   84.65KB   142 downloads

Dear Colleagues pls. kindly I need your help:-
1.Difference between : Withdrawals & Recall in the different food safety standards & initiatives :ISO 22000:2005 , GFSI , AIB 2009, IFS, BRC ?

2. Real Life Examples showing the difference between : PRP ( clause 7.2) ,OPRPs (7.5) , HACCP plan( CCP) clause 7.6 & CP ?
Many Thanks in advance
Ossama Ismail
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[Tony-C]

Dear Colleagues pls. kindly I need your help:-
2. Real Life Examples showing the difference between : PRP ( clause 7.2) ,OPRPs (7.5) , HACCP plan( CCP) clause 7.6 & CP ?
Many Thanks in advance
Ossama Ismail

Prerequisite from PAS 220
12.1 Hygiene, cleaning, incoming materials inspection and monitoring procedures shall be implemented to avoid creating an environment conducive to pest activity.

Operational Prerequisite
This will be based on individual process analysis, as an example I have seen upstream filtration as an Operational Prerequsite.

CCP
Something like cooking to a definitive core temperature for a minimum time to ensure pathogens are killed.

Regards,

Tony

[cocoabeanny]

Hi,

my understanding of the difference from recall and withdrawal is, that a withdrawal is done as long as the product is in your own supply chain posession. for a recall you have to contact your consumers to get the product from the market back. That is of course worse and may affect your brand image.

PRPs
pest control, regular cleaning, clean working clothes, training of stuff etc.

CCPs
heat treatment to kill the pathogens, filter or metal detectors to get out foreign materials etc.

oPRPs
special build in the line to reduce the hazard, but a CCP is following. like a magnet in front of a metal detector.

So in easy words this is it I guess.

Best regards

Beanny

[GMO]

Hi,

my understanding of the difference from recall and withdrawal is, that a withdrawal is done as long as the product is in your own supply chain posession. for a recall you have to contact your consumers to get the product from the market back. That is of course worse and may affect your brand image.

PRPs
pest control, regular cleaning, clean working clothes, training of stuff etc.

CCPs
heat treatment to kill the pathogens, filter or metal detectors to get out foreign materials etc.

oPRPs
special build in the line to reduce the hazard, but a CCP is following. like a magnet in front of a metal detector.

So in easy words this is it I guess.

Best regards

Beanny

Also withdrawals may occur where some product has left your control but it's not a food safety issue (but is an issue which might, say increase complaints). So even if some product has reached consumers, a food company may decide to have a withdrawal as it's not dangerous per se but likewise they don't want to increase their exposure to complaints etc.

[Simon]

Also withdrawals may occur where some product has left your control but it's not a food safety issue (but is an issue which might, say increase complaints). So even if some product has reached consumers, a food company may decide to have a withdrawal as it's not dangerous per se but likewise they don't want to increase their exposure to complaints etc.

And because it's the right thing to do. Contrary to the old belief that it’s easier and better to cover up and try to get away with it customers much prefer a supplier to be proactive and hold their hands up to a problem and ultimately save them from a potential problem. In fact doing so actually gets the supplier a gold star...well if it isn’t too regular. We all make mistakes and stocks can be replaced, nobody gets hurt.

[GMO]

And because it's the right thing to do. Contrary to the old belief that it’s easier and better to cover up and try to get away with it customers much prefer a supplier to be proactive and hold their hands up to a problem and ultimately save them from a potential problem. In fact doing so actually gets the supplier a gold star...well if it isn’t too regular. We all make mistakes and stocks can be replaced, nobody gets hurt.

IME of Tesco, I disagree if it's own brand. Sometimes their attitude is they'd rather you didn't tell them because even they fine you, it still costs them money and reputation. If it's your brand though, I'm sure they'd only be too happy to help

[Tony-C]

And because it's the right thing to do. Contrary to the old belief that it’s easier and better to cover up and try to get away with it customers much prefer a supplier to be proactive and hold their hands up to a problem and ultimately save them from a potential problem. In fact doing so actually gets the supplier a gold star...well if it isn’t too regular. We all make mistakes and stocks can be replaced, nobody gets hurt.

Have to agree totally and some of the responses I see in this situation smack of lack of experience(successful) in dealing with retailers.

[GMO]

Have to agree totally and some of the responses I see in this situation smack of lack of experience(successful) in dealing with retailers.

Oh I agree in theory and in most cases I would but I have been over-ruled many times and find that what retailers will say openly vs. what they will say behind closed doors are very different things.

Of course all of our aims should be right first time anyway. For this I always feel there is a lack of attention paid to the "near miss". Just like in health and safety, you would investigate a near miss seriously; knowing next time it could have been a fatality but in quality I have always tried to do this but get little support. Most people seem keen to wipe their brows, sigh with relief and move on without learning the lessons.

[Simon]

Oh I agree in theory and in most cases I would but I have been over-ruled many times and find that what retailers will say openly vs. what they will say behind closed doors are very different things.

Of course all of our aims should be right first time anyway. For this I always feel there is a lack of attention paid to the "near miss". Just like in health and safety, you would investigate a near miss seriously; knowing next time it could have been a fatality but in quality I have always tried to do this but get little support. Most people seem keen to wipe their brows, sigh with relief and move on without learning the lessons.

I have no experience dealing with retailers so don't know. On near misses most companies struggle to put an effective CA/PA in for an accident(s) so companies who take near missing reporting seriously are very, very good indeed. Foresight is a wonderful thing...much better than hindsight. I slipped on my butt the other day on an icy car park, so I got them to grit it and put my walking boots on. Clever eh, not really. Even an idiot should have had the foresight to see a 6ft galump wearing dancing shoes would go a burton on an ice rink.